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Re: go trump

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:32 am

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One Final thought, had not the USA intervened in WWII, how long do you think the AXIS powers would have gone controlling all the land surrounding Switzerland but not taking Switzerland? Once again its pure speculation, but I feel that Hitler may not have been a man of his word, and he may have taken it too. It would be like if America has all of the continental USA except for Kentucky lol. So not all military intervention is bad, although it would be nice if we could give back California. :D





operation tannenbaum isnt speculation it explains hitlers plan for the swiss
hitler had a great hate for the swiss and he expressed it several times throughout the war
i can go find the quotes but so can whit as he needs the homework lol

handling gold looted by the nazis in return for minerals that kept the german war machine running or keeping billions in assets belonging to holocaust victims mixed shows neutrality was a farce and while you can attribute profit in dealing with nazis
keeping those billions of the dead shows neutrality was not the policy it was pure profit and greed mixed with the knowledge the survivors could do nothing about it

german guns = swiss neutrality
broken people = robbery in place of neutrality
swiss = cowards for that choice
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Re: go trump

Postby Meliva » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:25 am

Dmanwuzhere wrote:
El Draque wrote:
One Final thought, had not the USA intervened in WWII, how long do you think the AXIS powers would have gone controlling all the land surrounding Switzerland but not taking Switzerland? Once again its pure speculation, but I feel that Hitler may not have been a man of his word, and he may have taken it too. It would be like if America has all of the continental USA except for Kentucky lol. So not all military intervention is bad, although it would be nice if we could give back California. :D





operation tannenbaum isnt speculation it explains hitlers plan for the swiss
hitler had a great hate for the swiss and he expressed it several times throughout the war
i can go find the quotes but so can whit as he needs the homework lol

handling gold looted by the nazis in return for minerals that kept the german war machine running or keeping billions in assets belonging to holocaust victims mixed shows neutrality was a farce and while you can attribute profit in dealing with nazis
keeping those billions of the dead shows neutrality was not the policy it was pure profit and greed mixed with the knowledge the survivors could do nothing about it

german guns = swiss neutrality
broken people = robbery in place of neutrality
swiss = cowards for that choice


yeah, hitler was all "oh yeah no worries I won't invade you guys" to the switz face, but he was planning an attack since probably day 1. I think he had a deep hatred for their neutrality, and a few other things I can't recall off the top of my head. Granted the Switz weren't stupid either-they were prepping for an attack. But ultimately without allies germany would have beaten Switzerland given time.
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Re: go trump

Postby Whitcomb The Feared » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:20 am

dman sorry but i have never seen a person so ignorant like you :D you have no proves and you cannot stand a debate without writing your nonsense crap.

Operation Tannenbaum was real yes, and it is why we had the second national army call since WWI, to defend switzerland. Switzerlan knew that chances were low to win, so the plan was to defend mountains and to cut Europe in 2 parts. In the south there were italians and in the north germans, and they would have had big problems cause the swiss national defense plan since WWI has been to build bunkers on mountains with inside everything ! tanks, airplanes, munitions, food ... and those bunkers were positioned to aim on the only entrances of our valleys. Come here and you will learn new things, cause you don't seem to understan much. We would have lost for sure, but we would have inflicted many many losses to the enemy. First, the air support would have been useless, cause without radars on plane they would have had troubles in mountains, second, in our militia army (even now) the first focus is fighting in mountaineous terrain, so we have an advantage even against professional armies. Third, not knowing the terrain, they couldn't have used the artillery, while the swiss artillery was prepared to fight on mountains and to calculate trajectories with mountains in the middle (and by mountains i mean 4000m, not hills). so, as stated by german forces, this conquest would have cost too much for too little advantages.

Swiss cowards ? they have been always neutral and democratic. People voted to be neutral and nobody asked to join the war, so it was a popular decision. if you cannot accept it, well ... we don't care :)

About the swiss slaves, again you need to improve your german cause you understood nothing ahha there is a law allowing to separate families in some extreme cases, the exact thing done at your border with mexico with miigrant families (in 2019) lol ... slavery in 19th century and even now, and you give me lessons, poor boy. But anyway, the law allowed the poor families in the city to lose their child if they abandoned him, if they were treatening him badly, and so on ... the state then, instead of placing children in orphanages, were brought to farms, why ? because farms had food to sustain larger families while orphanages didn't ! here even my grandparents and my neighbourg were placed during summer on mountains in farms, because families in valleys and cities didn't have enough food to survive ! so children were brought by force or obligated by lack of food to go to farms ... for cheap labor ? maybe ! my grandfather always told me it was a necessity, he couldn't refuse orders from the farmer cause he was there to work. working for food. And nobody paid the state to live on farms, you are inventing a legend ahah
read this ...
Die rechtliche Grundlage der Kindswegnahmen fand sich im Zivilgesetzbuch von 1912, welches bei pflichtwidrigem Verhalten der Eltern, dauernder Gefährdung oder ganz allgemein bei Verwahrlosung die Vormundschaftsbehörden legitimierte, den Eltern das Sorgerecht über ihre Kinder zu entziehen
it means that in the laws of 1912 there was a law allowing the state to take children from families in some cases, and they used it to take children from gypsies ... nothing to do with the initial children you were quoting that were swiss and taken - using the same legal system - from families to be sent on farms. It was not a good system and the state apologized for that, but there have been no decisions to make those associations to pay for abuses. so the state tried to compensate by itself, no charity as you define it.

again, removing locks from my door and accepting everyone ... you don't know me, i already do that :) i am not an ignorant person like you are, so to me there is no problem to debate, to talk and to accept people, as there is no problem to serve in my army to defend my country, to be a politician, to study, to work and everything else ... and overall to learn and to understand things, not writing crap with nosense like you do :)


about switzerland accepting german gold and other properties ... i think you are the first not understanding the difference between state and private property lol. Banks accepted gold and the swiss borders were closed in general. so the state was neutral, but banks accepted Allied capitals and nazi capitals while swiss weapons factories were selling weapons to both sides, this is neutrality ... you advantage both sides equally :D and americans were not against that, they could have a forward base where to operate spying missions.


Guys let Trump alone, from the beginning the topic was elsewhere, the fact that Europe and many other countries want to see USA stopping to be the world police but it never ends. If trump is impeached or not or whatever it is going on, nobody talks about that here because we don't really care, we have never seen a big difference among presidents and at the end here we increase trade and economical agreements with the east rather than the west. Switzerland made a free trade agreement with china but not yet with USA, now we try to expand borders to Russia and the east. The first partner of iran in europe is italy, italy doesn't want to intervene against iran. France and Germany have internal problems cause a larger % of people don't want to send armies abroad again ... Spain, Greece, portugal have refused to increase expenditures on military side (asked by the usa) because they have an european rule to respect, a debt rule and they are already too much in debt. It is why there is a larger part of the population who just wants to leave in peace ... many never intervened in no wars, and never had terroristic attacks ! it is why they say "no interventions abroad, no problems". USA could do the same ...
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Re: go trump

Postby Mack » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:18 pm

Trump is going to win 2020
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Re: go trump

Postby PlagueDoctor » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:25 pm

I see my "this is not really the place for these kind of devise political threads" had the desired effect :xx
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Re: go trump

Postby Lana » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:36 pm

Mack wrote:Trump is going to win 2020

Hahah Congrats Mack, if you think he is the best solution you have, you totally deserve him!

Btw, Dman, why Iran can't have nuclear weapon, but you can? Because they would be untouchable, like North Korea, for example? Or Israel or Russia, or China... You really think their leader would be less intelligent than yours (holding his fingers on the buttons)? I would like no one of you have nuclear weapon at all!
And btw, if some other State (not organization, but State) killed your citizen, or God forbid, one of the highest officials (like in this case), what would you (USA) do? Immediately revenge, of course... and I am pretty sure, you would not inform the other side to get people off the buildings you are going to bomb...
No one (other Governments) teach you (American people) about democracy, about your rights to live on your own way, to chose who would lead you, what do you believe... but you still want to (and do) interfere in every possible election in the world. And you can't imagine how grotesquely ridiculous your investigation and accusations are about Russia's interfering in your election...
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Re: go trump

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:35 pm

Lana wrote:
Mack wrote:Trump is going to win 2020

Hahah Congrats Mack, if you think he is the best solution you have, you totally deserve him!

Btw, Dman, why Iran can't have nuclear weapon, but you can? Because they would be untouchable, like North Korea, for example? Or Israel or Russia, or China... You really think their leader would be less intelligent than yours (holding his fingers on the buttons)? I would like no one of you have nuclear weapon at all!
And btw, if some other State (not organization, but State) killed your citizen, or God forbid, one of the highest officials (like in this case), what would you (USA) do? Immediately revenge, of course... and I am pretty sure, you would not inform the other side to get people off the buildings you are going to bomb...
No one (other Governments) teach you (American people) about democracy, about your rights to live on your own way, to chose who would lead you, what do you believe... but you still want to (and do) interfere in every possible election in the world. And you can't imagine how grotesquely ridiculous your investigation and accusations are about Russia's interfering in your election...


lol no place is untouchable the general with his increased attacks was feeling pretty bullet proof how did that work out
we have special forces that take people out in difficult situations if needed and drones wont work
i wonder if you mean nation in place of state as for me it holds another meaning but we have avoided targets in the past due to the fact innocent civilians were in the way
me personally if you declare war its war do what you can
historical mosques hospitals etc war is war

funny every nation i meet on the net tries to police the usa and then say we police too much
but again me personally i would build a wall all around the usa build only the usa aid only the people legally in the usa
let no one else in the country with the threat of death for trespass and allow each nation to live in its own hell without any aid or as you call it meddling from the usa
take a hit off my vape as another nation gets eaten by another and laugh as people then say the usa should step in and stop the atrocities
fook em send em a get well soon card and not bother keeping up with all the name changes
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Re: go trump

Postby Mack » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:46 pm

Ttump is going to win and it dont matter how mad russia gets about it
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Re: go trump

Postby Lana » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:17 pm

O-I-L...That's a funny way to spell democracy :)

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Re: go trump

Postby The Lamb » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:01 am

Hey Lana, just incase you hadnt heard about it, the reason Trump took out the General was he told Iran not to kill any Americans and the General organised an attack that killed an Iraqi American who was doing contract work in Iraq in Dec., and was responsible for the attack on our Embassy a few weeks ago, and was planning a few more when he took him out. I only bring that up because to answer your question, yes, if another state attacked us we would retaliate :) and thats what we did.

Also, i think the biggest difference between the USA, China, Russia, India, and the others who currently have Nukes, vrs. those who want them, is none of the first group are threatening to wipe out entire groups of people off the map because of ideologies or religious beliefs.

The reason we havent taken out ROK is we dont want South Korea and Japan to be adversely affected (i was stationed in S.Korea, if the world knew what NK was really doing to its people, everyone would be screaming at the USA for not doing something sooner), as far as Iran, goes... Lets say there was a guy in your town, who said he wanted to kill you and your Jewish friend as soon as he gets a gun. You hear he is shopping for one... do you tell the cops and try to stop him from getting a gun, or just wait and see what happens?

As a former military member, i can say that what you see in the news is always only the tip of the iceberg. There is so much bad bad bad things going on everyday that most people never hear about until some news channel or you tuber tries to make a political statement, and even then its full of that person's/channels own bias. But i will say this, for all the people who sleep soundly never knowing the atrocities that "the good guys" must deal with to make sure everyone can speak out against the US, just try and remember, there there are always three sides to every story.

Oh, and one last thought... America is a Net exporter of gas and oil now, we dont need the oil for the Middle East, so maybe, just maybe, our leaders are actually trying to keep the peace between nations (religious groups) who have been fighting for hundreds of years. Just Saying :beer
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