Trump 2020!

[DezNutz]

for the record trump hasn't been impeached yet because the articles that were voted on haven't been sent to the senate whenever they are sent it is official, essentially the impeachment is only finalized when the trial is started

This isn't true unless you can show me where it say that. AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -democrats

That's an *opinion* piece, not actual fact. In fact, the author state: "The provisions say nothing about timing. Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate. But the framers’ definition of impeachment assumed that impeachment was a process, not just a House vote."

Let even say he's right. Said who? How does he know what the framer mean? This seem like the author's own interpretation than those of the actual writer who wrote it. As far as anyone is concerned, Trump *is* officially impeached, and arguing over this is irrelevant/moot to the point, especially, as the author said, "Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate."

Sure. Then there is the expert legal opinion of the democrats own witness from the impeachment hearing. His legal opinion apparently mattered.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/us/t ... peach.html

I'll summize.

"Not impeached until articles are submitted to the senate."

[Dmanwuzhere]

Regardless of your opinion on Trump, his memes are great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

Oh and

for the record trump hasn't been impeached yet because the articles that were voted on haven't been sent to the senate whenever they are sent it is official, essentially the impeachment is only finalized when the trial is started

This isn't true unless you can show me where it say that. AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -democrats

That's an *opinion* piece, not actual fact. In fact, the author state: "The provisions say nothing about timing. Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate. But the framers’ definition of impeachment assumed that impeachment was a process, not just a House vote."

Let even say he's right. Said who? How does he know what the framer mean? This seem like the author's own interpretation than th
ose of the actual writer who wrote it. As far as anyone is concerned, Trump *is* officially impeached, and arguing over this is irrelevant/moot to the point, especially, as the author said, "Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate."[/quote]


the fact it takes both the articles to impeach and then a trial to affect the impeachment is fact lol if you dont believe me guess whos still the president
in fact without a trial and being found guilty guess who can and will run again
as for opinion that is what you brought to the table when you said AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached
so i say AFAIK Trump *isnt* officially impeached and gave you a more learned opinion than yours or mine
now what lol

[DezNutz]

the fact it takes both the articles to impeach and then a trial to affect the impeachment is fact lol if you dont believe me guess whos still the president
in fact without a trial and being found guilty guess who can and will run again
as for opinion that is what you brought to the table when you said AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached
so i say AFAIK Trump *isnt* officially impeached and gave you a more learned opinion than yours or mine
now what lol

Actually, Trump can be impeached and removed from office and still run for "re"-election. There is no rule/law stipulating that someone removed from office can't run again. Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding. It's a political process.

[Dmanwuzhere]

the fact it takes both the articles to impeach and then a trial to affect the impeachment is fact lol if you dont believe me guess whos still the president
in fact without a trial and being found guilty guess who can and will run again
as for opinion that is what you brought to the table when you said AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached
so i say AFAIK Trump *isnt* officially impeached and gave you a more learned opinion than yours or mine
now what lol

Actually, Trump can be impeached and removed from office and still run for "re"-election. There is no rule/law stipulating that someone removed from office can't run again. Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding. It's a political process.

the trial decides whether or not the accused can hold a govt job ever again if found guilty but without being in the judgment you are right
but thats not going to happen i watched most of the trial in the house and the case cant withstand a trial with hopes of winning

[DezNutz]

There would have to be an actual high crime for the senate to include barring from holding public office. Removal from office does not automatically include such. You will find no rule stipulating as such. There is also the fact that the incoming President would likely issue a Presidential Pardon.

[Dmanwuzhere]

There would have to be an actual high crime for the senate to include barring from holding public office. Removal from office does not automatically include such. You will find no rule stipulating as such. There is also the fact that the incoming President would likely issue a Presidential Pardon.

lol the house thinks they have high crimes
yeah as i said its not a rule it would have to be written into the judgment or verdict
and it would depend on the political affiliations of the new pres lol you know a dem wouldnt

[The Lamb]

Its seems to be the general understanding that the framers were very fearful of one party only voting to impeach, no matter who it is.

So here is my opinion as to why i dont think i can vote dem anymore...

When Trump was elected beyond anyone's belief, the dems went into assured destruction mode. Over night Trump became a racist, sexist, anti this anti that and they were touting impeachment before he even became president. Now Obama was given a peace medal and hadn't done a thing at that point.

So a few years of russian this and that, which if you did some homework was completely made up, but the dems swore it was true and trump was going down. Turns out it was illegal activity paid for and brought to you by the dems to get him out of office.

Meanwhile, they have lost in every normal category and every Nostradamus prediction has back fired, so now they are doubling down on crazy, going after their own, and trying to impeach the president for wanting to look into possible corruption of a former vice president, and worse of all they keep lieing over and over, and they dont even care about getting caught. Meanwhile, some of the people who have yet to know better are eating it up and looking the other way when every lie comes out, because "we'll still get um".

Sure the dems were the ones who owned every slave (reason i know this, is the republicans were created to combat slavery ), and sure the dems fought against Universal suffrage (rich republican woman is reason that movement started), and yes, the southern demarcates started the KKK and yes, the southern demarcates enacted the Jim Crow Laws, and yes most of the dems voted against the republicans civil rights act, but it looked like they were finally getting there stuff together in the early 2000's, but now they are just as divisive as ever. As and independent, Its disappointing.

I cant vote for socialism or crazy lol

[Jackiieeechaaarrr]

the fact it takes both the articles to impeach and then a trial to affect the impeachment is fact lol if you dont believe me guess whos still the president
in fact without a trial and being found guilty guess who can and will run again
as for opinion that is what you brought to the table when you said AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached
so i say AFAIK Trump *isnt* officially impeached and gave you a more learned opinion than yours or mine
now what lol

As far as the average Joe is concerned, Trump is officially impeached. The process the senate do have nothing to do with impeachment, and even when Trump is impeached, it doesn't mean he will be removed from the office, I'm personally not invested enough to share my own political opinion here, I simply want to point out that regardless of party line/personal belief, the fact is Trump is impeached, and arguing that "he isn't until Pelosi send document" is being pedantic, especially since even the article you sent literally state "Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate."

What you are referring to for the senate is the conviction process, i.e voting to remove him from office. It's similar to what happened to Bill Clinton in the 1990s, he was impeached by the house, but not convicted by the Senate, making him IMPEACHED *and* still stayed in office till the end of his term. There's no doubt in my mind Trump won't be voted out of office, simply because of gop controlled senate.

Oh and, I too can play that game:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50840934 sAy tHaT tRuMp iS iMpEaChEd sO mY oPiNiOn iS iNfOrMeD

[DezNutz]

There would have to be an actual high crime for the senate to include barring from holding public office. Removal from office does not automatically include such. You will find no rule stipulating as such. There is also the fact that the incoming President would likely issue a Presidential Pardon.

lol the house thinks they have high crimes
yeah as i said its not a rule it would have to be written into the judgment or verdict
and it would depend on the political affiliations of the new pres lol you know a dem wouldnt

If Trump was removed from office, the VP (Pence) would become President.

[Mack]

the fact it takes both the articles to impeach and then a trial to affect the impeachment is fact lol if you dont believe me guess whos still the president
in fact without a trial and being found guilty guess who can and will run again
as for opinion that is what you brought to the table when you said AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached
so i say AFAIK Trump *isnt* officially impeached and gave you a more learned opinion than yours or mine
now what lol

As far as the average Joe is concerned, Trump is officially impeached. The process the senate do have nothing to do with impeachment, and even when Trump is impeached, it doesn't mean he will be removed from the office, I'm personally not invested enough to share my own political opinion here, I simply want to point out that regardless of party line/personal belief, the fact is Trump is impeached, and arguing that "he isn't until Pelosi send document" is being pedantic, especially since even the article you sent literally state "Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate."

What you are referring to for the senate is the conviction process, i.e voting to remove him from office. It's similar to what happened to Bill Clinton in the 1990s, he was impeached by the house, but not convicted by the Senate, making him IMPEACHED *and* still stayed in office till the end of his term. There's no doubt in my mind Trump won't be voted out of office, simply because of gop controlled senate.

Oh and, I too can play that game:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50840934 sAy tHaT tRuMp iS iMpEaChEd sO mY oPiNiOn iS iNfOrMeD

if you refer to average people that care not to know the truth average joes then youre right that they consider him already impeached. the average person that knows the rules knows thats false though.. you can say it in every other sentence but it still dont make it true..