Hammer of Thor Pronouncement

[Dmanwuzhere]

Action/Reaction do what you do

[sXs]

With emphasis on the "allowed".

[Vane]

There is another way, its called a war between players, we have voodoo, ships, assets.. hit those, you want to win or come out on top, be the last ones standing. We are not acting for nations, we are acting as guild leaders and players tired of specific abusive play by a select few.

Honestly sir, and with respect, that is not how you are acting and judging by my inbox, that is not how a lot of Avonmora sees your actions.

It is coming across more like you are dictating exactly what is and is not allowed and claiming moral authority on those decisions simply because you are the "old-timers" as PK puts it.

Divorce yourself from the current issue and re-read Stan's original post. If you were outside looking in, how would you interpret that?

Doesn't sound at all like someone trying to be a leader, it sounds like a group trying to dictate to all others how they will be allowed to play.

My reasons are mine, PK's are his, Stans are his and so on...

We all have our points to make in this and certain players made enough enemies we banded together. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

What I am dictating or stating I will not tolerate, are the actions I have previously mentioned. Do what you want, but I will respond in kind to those actions...

Dman just said something...... oh yes... Action = Reaction?

Well some pushed for the reaction and now they'll have it.

[Stan Rogers]

Sounds like hogwash to me I dont see a team of frenchmen just a bunch of would be tyrants

What you see is exactly what has happened. A group of players who are tired of seeing their responsibilities being constantly hit on have banded together to play in the same style as you choose to.
I personally was approached by 3 different members of TKP asking if I would care to become part of a coalition that will try to end the cowardly practice of picking on those less experienced and flush with coin.
It did not take a lot of convincing. I could see by looking through guild battles and port battles what they were talking about.

The solution is easy...just knock it off. The other option is to spout off, try to spin your actions into justifiable reasons to why you have chosen this style of game play.

Every one has choices so quit trying to say we are the problem. We are the solution to the problem that has manifested itself on your doorstep.

[Vane]

It is actually starting to sound more and more like you all want us to sit idol while you do whatever it is you want to?

"We are going to hit players however we like whenever we like, if you tell us we cant then you are the bad guy for telling us we cant!"

Guess we better stop incarcerating serial killers.. we shouldn't be telling them they cant do that.

[DezNutz]

Sounds like hogwash to me I dont see a team of frenchmen just a bunch of would be tyrants

What you see is exactly what has happened. A group of players who are tired of seeing their responsibilities being constantly hit on have banded together to play in the same style as you choose to.
I personally was approached by 3 different members of TKP asking if I would care to become part of a coalition that will try to end the cowardly practice of picking on those less experienced and flush with coin.
It did not take a lot of convincing. I could see by looking through guild battles and port battles what they were talking about.

The solution is easy...just knock it off. The other option is to spout off, try to spin your actions into justifiable reasons to why you have chosen this style of game play.

Every one has choices so quit trying to say we are the problem. We are the solution to the problem that has manifested itself on your doorstep.

So at what point is someone experienced? 100 ships, 200 ships, 500 ships. 100M in the bank. A few million in their purse. At what point are players who have expanded to the point of being noticed allowed to be hit.

[Stan Rogers]

Dez... its not that they are not "allowed" to hit. Hitting a new player is good for their development. Hitting a new player numerous times is, essentially frowned upon by most here in Avonmora.

Would you not agree ?

[DezNutz]

Dez... its not that they are not "allowed" to hit. Hitting a new player is good for their development. Hitting a new player numerous times is, essentially frowned upon by most here in Avonmora.

Would you not agree ?

Yes, but I'm also a realist in the extent that I could cast on a player tomorrow not knowing that someone cast on him yesterday. But because it occurred back to back, it's excessive.

[Vane]

Dez... its not that they are not "allowed" to hit. Hitting a new player is good for their development. Hitting a new player numerous times is, essentially frowned upon by most here in Avonmora.

Would you not agree ?

Yes, but I'm also a realist in the extent that I could cast on a player tomorrow not knowing that someone cast on him yesterday. But because it occurred back to back, it's excessive.

Not at all, but if you cast on 3 players of one guild today, then "you" again cast on the same players the next day, then the next.... that is most definitely excessive.

[DezNutz]

Dez... its not that they are not "allowed" to hit. Hitting a new player is good for their development. Hitting a new player numerous times is, essentially frowned upon by most here in Avonmora.

Would you not agree ?

Yes, but I'm also a realist in the extent that I could cast on a player tomorrow not knowing that someone cast on him yesterday. But because it occurred back to back, it's excessive.

Not at all, but if you cast on 3 players of one guild today, then "you" again cast on the same players the next day, then the next.... that is most definitely excessive.

Then hit him back for it. There is no reason to create a new guild of vets to go after him. If everyone he hit returned fire, he would likely be overwhelmed if it is the problem that everyone is making it out to be. There should be no reason to create a new guild of just vets to go after him and then talk about. This is exactly why I called this nothing but kabuki theater. If you are going to hit him, then just do it. This is complete and utter BS.

If you have cause to hit him, and if he is actually farming players, not just casting to mess with Natsu, then those players he is casting on need to strike back and if their guild leaders want to support their efforts than do it. This is complete crap that we are even discussing it. Who the f*ck cares? This doesn't need to be a community activity were we talk about actions.