Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby PFH » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:07 pm

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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby sXs » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:24 pm

Was meant as a complete joke, but it is sad that some guilds do not teach the very basics of fleet config. I started in Helm and learned a lot, but the focus was basically on one area of game play.

I do not know how SSTG structured things, but it sounds more like what a true training guild should be like.
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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby Sebena » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:45 pm

Feniks wrote:Was meant as a complete joke, but it is sad that some guilds do not teach the very basics of fleet config. I started in Helm and learned a lot, but the focus was basically on one area of game play.

I do not know how SSTG structured things, but it sounds more like what a true training guild should be like.



SSTG had uniqe way of training as far as I am familiar with other training guilds. And yes it was truly training guild but some people could not stand that so they kept attacking and attacking.
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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby sXs » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:50 pm

Wolfie wrote:
Feniks wrote:Was meant as a complete joke, but it is sad that some guilds do not teach the very basics of fleet config. I started in Helm and learned a lot, but the focus was basically on one area of game play.

I do not know how SSTG structured things, but it sounds more like what a true training guild should be like.



SSTG had uniqe way of training as far as I am familiar with other training guilds. And yes it was truly training guild but some people could not stand that so they kept attacking and attacking.


I know it is a sore spot. Honestly though, I learned more by being targeted than any guild/person taught me.
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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby Sebena » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:52 pm

Feniks wrote:
Wolfie wrote:
Feniks wrote:Was meant as a complete joke, but it is sad that some guilds do not teach the very basics of fleet config. I started in Helm and learned a lot, but the focus was basically on one area of game play.

I do not know how SSTG structured things, but it sounds more like what a true training guild should be like.



SSTG had uniqe way of training as far as I am familiar with other training guilds. And yes it was truly training guild but some people could not stand that so they kept attacking and attacking.


I know it is a sore spot. Honestly though, I learned more by being targeted than any guild/person taught me.




Can you really develope and learn things if you have 0 time to incorporate what you learned from being targeted because you are constantly targeted and farmed. It gets boring and often ends up in quitting game
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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby sXs » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:06 pm

Wolfie wrote:


Can you really develope and learn things if you have 0 time to incorporate what you learned from being targeted because you are constantly targeted and farmed. It gets boring and often ends up in quitting game


Kind of off the rails a bit here, but who bears the responsibility in that scenario? Not all on the attackers. It is up to trainers as well. We attacked Helm, Lodswe, Lana and others in leadership used it as a training mechanism and gave out as good as they were given. That was the genesis of both PRO and dman. You can ask them but it seems it helped them dramatically.

I would think that if SSTG was truly an all encompassing training guild, several members would be capable of the same. Attacks are part of the game as well. Attack once and it is a walk through, you tend to go back and hit again. The difference between SSTG and Helm was that helm got tougher and tougher. They learned quickly. I imagine it had something to do with the leadership.

Not saying hitting people over and over again is good or bad, I was farmed several times when I was in Helm. I finally got sick of it and found someone to teach me. It is a game. It is not simulation game where you simply click an icon and the game plays itself.
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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby Dejanira » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:11 pm

Feniks wrote:I do not know how SSTG structured things, but it sounds more like what a true training guild should be like.


SSTG was like this: join the Guild if you like, we will tell you everything we know, stay if you like or say goodbye when you feel ready.

Was good.

The problem arised when some people started thinking something like "hey look at these fragile players, lets raid them it's so easy their trainer won't have hundreds of purifies or serenities in their hand, besides they won't be online forever isn't it".

Feniks wrote:Honestly though, I learned more by being targeted than any guild/person taught me.

Being hit makes people stronger, yes, if they have time to recover.

In the long term farming kills the game, as it depletes the player base.
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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby Dejanira » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:13 pm

Anyway, oh come on. This is not a rant, this is just the story.

Could be material for an article of the Herald.
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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby Vane » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:14 pm

Perhaps SSTG's fault was in not teaching its players to adequately defend themselves?

The idea of building cheap fleets to grow quickly is not the appropriate way in my opinion, and so many teach this method.
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Re: Ceasefire Between xPROx and Lord Harlock

Postby Sebena » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:17 pm

Feniks wrote:
Wolfie wrote:


Can you really develope and learn things if you have 0 time to incorporate what you learned from being targeted because you are constantly targeted and farmed. It gets boring and often ends up in quitting game


Kind of off the rails a bit here, but who bears the responsibility in that scenario? Not all on the attackers. It is up to trainers as well. We attacked Helm, Lodswe, Lana and others in leadership used it as a training mechanism and gave out as good as they were given. That was the genesis of both PRO and dman. You can ask them but it seems it helped them dramatically.

I would think that if SSTG was truly an all encompassing training guild, several members would be capable of the same. Attacks are part of the game as well. Attack once and it is a walk through, you tend to go back and hit again. The difference between SSTG and Helm was that helm got tougher and tougher. They learned quickly. I imagine it had something to do with the leadership.

Not saying hitting people over and over again is good or bad, I was farmed several times when I was in Helm. I finally got sick of it and found someone to teach me. It is a game. It is not simulation game where you simply click an icon and the game plays itself.




Yes there were people whom could adopt to situation and they did but is it really possible to adopt if you are attacked by several people at the same time and then after that those same people go for your influence aswell.

I remember back when I was still new player but not that new I had person with whom I was able to defend entire guild aggainst several people because we had that coordination. That person unfortunantley left the game and if he ever returns he will be always welcome to join my side.

It's not complete fault of attacker but if you are targeted daily your resources drain. Some manage to fight back some decide to go on a different route some decide to quit it's part of the game. But daily attacks and raids on the same people will destroy this game and that is what scares me most.
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