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Re: US Next War

Postby DezNutz » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:14 pm

PhoenixKnight wrote:It can be argued that any country including USA possessing nuclear, chemical or biological weapon is not in the best interest of anyone. Yet, only certain countries hold those weapon and cry whenever another country hold any kind of similar weapon.
That is by definition dictatorship applied on a global scale where those countries are posing as sovereign lords and oppressing other nations.


No it is not. As much as I think the UN is a pointless globalist money pit, please take the time and read up before you speak of things you don't know anything about.

UN Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) https://www.un.org/disarmament/wmd/nuclear/npt/
- Nearly every country in the world has signed it with exception to a handful.

UN Biological Weapons Convention (Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction) https://www.un.org/disarmament/wmd/bio/
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Re: US Next War

Postby PhoenixKnight » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:24 pm

DezNutz wrote:
PhoenixKnight wrote:It can be argued that any country including USA possessing nuclear, chemical or biological weapon is not in the best interest of anyone. Yet, only certain countries hold those weapon and cry whenever another country hold any kind of similar weapon.
That is by definition dictatorship applied on a global scale where those countries are posing as sovereign lords and oppressing other nations.


No it is not. As much as I think the UN is a pointless globalist money pit, please take the time and read up before you speak of things you don't know anything about.

UN Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) https://www.un.org/disarmament/wmd/nuclear/npt/
- Nearly every country in the world has signed it with exception to a handful.

UN Biological Weapons Convention (Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction) https://www.un.org/disarmament/wmd/bio/


If you are trying to say the USA and Russia do not have nuclear or biological weapons then you are delusional.
The fact that they do, among handful other country will always remain an argument for other countries to try to get them to get stronger.
Trying to swat other countries effort without UN approval is in its entirety an act of war.
Every drone strike is the equivalent of both a terrorist attack and an act of war.
Every prohibited weapon in the arsenal of a super power is an argument for a growing country to try to obtain them. If you think treaties stop anyone you are mistaken. Secret efforts will always be there. Additionally nothing stops any country from walking out and tearing a treaty. Trump is a good example of that when he tore NAFTA and TPP among other things.

You call me ignorant. I say you are an idealistic simpleton.
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Re: US Next War

Postby Haron » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:35 pm

I prefer wars in Avonmora to real life wars. They are possible for me to influence, and real people don't die.

Currently there seems to be much more war in the real world than in this game. Suggestion to Captain Jack: Maybe send an invitation to Assad, Trump and Putin? Maybe include Kim Jong Un too? Then maybe we would see some more action in this game!
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Re: US Next War

Postby PhoenixKnight » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:45 pm

Haron wrote:I prefer wars in Avonmora to real life wars. They are possible for me to influence, and real people don't die.

Currently there seems to be much more war in the real world than in this game. Suggestion to Captain Jack: Maybe send an invitation to Assad, Trump and Putin? Maybe include Kim Jong Un too? Then maybe we would see some more action in this game!

Better yet. Make a mission for 3 countries to battle each other over a port or ships!
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Re: US Next War

Postby Gregor Egerton » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:21 pm

PhoenixKnight wrote:
Haron wrote:I prefer wars in Avonmora to real life wars. They are possible for me to influence, and real people don't die.

Currently there seems to be much more war in the real world than in this game. Suggestion to Captain Jack: Maybe send an invitation to Assad, Trump and Putin? Maybe include Kim Jong Un too? Then maybe we would see some more action in this game!

Better yet. Make a mission for 3 countries to battle each other over a port or ships!
Every player in a participating nation will wager 1 Million gold coins if their ID is less than 60000, and 10K gold bars otherwise.


I have yet one question, who would foot the bill? Would it be some third party who wants to see more action in Avonmora? or would it be added by a big player like CDV or other?
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Re: US Next War

Postby DezNutz » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:01 pm

PhoenixKnight wrote:
DezNutz wrote:
PhoenixKnight wrote:It can be argued that any country including USA possessing nuclear, chemical or biological weapon is not in the best interest of anyone. Yet, only certain countries hold those weapon and cry whenever another country hold any kind of similar weapon.
That is by definition dictatorship applied on a global scale where those countries are posing as sovereign lords and oppressing other nations.


No it is not. As much as I think the UN is a pointless globalist money pit, please take the time and read up before you speak of things you don't know anything about.

UN Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) https://www.un.org/disarmament/wmd/nuclear/npt/
- Nearly every country in the world has signed it with exception to a handful.

UN Biological Weapons Convention (Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction) https://www.un.org/disarmament/wmd/bio/


If you are trying to say the USA and Russia do not have nuclear or biological weapons then you are delusional.
The fact that they do, among handful other country will always remain an argument for other countries to try to get them to get stronger.
Trying to swat other countries effort without UN approval is in its entirety an act of war.
Every drone strike is the equivalent of both a terrorist attack and an act of war.
Every prohibited weapon in the arsenal of a super power is an argument for a growing country to try to obtain them. If you think treaties stop anyone you are mistaken. Secret efforts will always be there. Additionally nothing stops any country from walking out and tearing a treaty. Trump is a good example of that when he tore NAFTA and TPP among other things.

You call me ignorant. I say you are an idealistic simpleton.


I didn't call you ignorant, and you obviously didn't read them. I also never said the USA or Russia didn't possess Nuclear Weapons. I pointed out your assumption that those possessing it only want others to not have it.

The US and Russia, who possess >90% of all nuclear weapons, have been reducing their stockpiles since the 1970s. Google START Treaties.

Most nations do not have stockpiles of Biological Weapons, in fact the US does not have them at all. US Laws ban the development of Biological Weapons and all US Biological Stockpiles were destroyed in the 1970s. Research for defensive purposes is allowed, but the amount of biological agent is not enough to institute a weaponable amount.

Also never said that a nation can't pull out of a treaty.

I see that you think the UN has some supreme authority. The only authority the UN has is provided by the benefit of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council (USA, Russia, UK, France, & China). Try to pass a resolution in the UN without the support of all 5 members.

As I said before, the USA notified Russia 1 hour prior to the strike occurring so as to allow Russian personnel to evacuate the area. Russia could have easily objected and said they would not move, thus an act of war when the missile struck killing Russians. But that didn't happen as Russia did not object, but did state that it was not supportive of the US taking unilaterally action. Other nations have come out in support of the US decision to strike.

Drone strikes are not an act of war when the USA and the host nation of where the strike occurred have an agreement allowing them. Google Yemen's discontinuing of authorized US Drone Strikes.
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Re: US Next War

Postby Mack » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:35 pm

Danik wrote:
Mack wrote:When did Israel declare war against the United States? oh that's right they didn't......


When did Syria declare war against the United States? Oh, that's right, they didnt....


just all of those extremist groups from Iraq moved over there when we let them know we were going to bomb them did declare war against the United States this time they were in Syria in cahoots with the Syrian government among others and we did not give them any warning as we shouldn't

if everyone has forgotten I will remind you all there have been many extremist groups or gangs or militia or whatever you want to call them that has declared war against the United States and Israel as the states and Israel are very close.. why should the United States be required to sit back and watch them grow in any way or push anyone around for anything
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Re: US Next War

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:14 pm

You really do live in a strange little world, dont you?
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Re: US Next War

Postby Mack » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:17 pm

Yes the world is strange.. people can so easily close their minds, it does amaze me.
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Re: US Next War

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:30 pm

There is a difference between being open-minded and being gullible.
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