Good leader.

[Stan Rogers]

And when the sick,elderly and infirmed could no longer pull their weight, they were sent off on an ice flow to meet their fate.
No...wait, that was in the northern extremes of America, the continent.

[DezNutz]

And when the sick,elderly and infirmed could no longer pull their weight, they were sent off on an ice flow to meet their fate.
No...wait, that was in the northern extremes of America, the continent.

Siberia. Same but different.

[Maha]

sometimes it's good to be open-minded.
especially when someone shares a personal experience.
(great respect for that!)
no country is the same and what is in one is not in the other.
Yugoslavia under Tito was unique. He, and his resistance, freed his country (almost?) without foreign assistance. that gave it a huge level of independence and freedom.

yes, it was different from 'western style' countries. but Tito held the country together and made it work.
so, what does it matter that is was labeled Socialist? the theoretical ideology is one thing, the practical implication something very different. all the East Block countries had different shades of socalism / communism. the Western European countries differ a lot in their democratic interpretations. and that's ok.

textbook knowledge is of great value, but nothing beats the deep understanding of those who lived there and have the ability to compare it with the results of other ideologies.

tito is for me a definite +1

[Stan Rogers]

In response to Deznutz post-

Aye, but don't burst my bubble. I'd like to think we have evolved a little further in 300 years. To compare life and civilization now to back then is not very apt. The invention of corporations had a major impact on life as we now know it.

The corporation- a mechanism spawned from capitalism where a small group of people are able to earn incredible amounts of money while pretending to work each day meanwhile dreaming of ways to further enhance their wealth by doing less.


Don't get me wrong- The corporation has enabled mankind to make strident advances in technology and development all the while kicking and screaming when the work day was shortened to 8 hours/day and 5 days a week. Thank goodness unions were another invention that helped combat the mindset of corporations and their capitalist ambitions.

[Big Brother]

Hey... what if someone rose up against tito?

Would he do what damn near every socialist leader did?

Try to squash the people?

Good leaders rely on compromise, they must appease the majority, and the minority to maintain their power.

Democracy gives the masses a way to rebel peacefully. Without bloodshed, like the communist revolutions, and the Tiananmen square massacre...

[Maha]

Hey... what if someone rose up against tito?

Would he do what damn near every socialist leader did?

Try to squash the people?

Good leaders rely on compromise, they must appease the majority, and the minority to maintain their power.

Democracy gives the masses a way to rebel peacefully. Without bloodshed, like the communist revolutions, and the Tiananmen square massacre...

what would the pseident of the USA do if some one (say some southern states) rose up against the goverment?
what a loaded and unfounded question. Tito, by his charisma, held the state together. even when he was terminally ill for a long time. Yugoslavia was a country that harbored different ethnic groups with a violent past. Tito created an environment where people could live together.

[Big Brother]

What would a president of the USA do if a dead confederacy that was built on slavery do if it rose up, you say? He would have to go to war to protect that which is human... Freedom for all..

Also, everyone can live together, it's when all the little crap that gets in the way messes it all up.

For example, saying a really mean your mama joke right after someone's mom died from obesity...

I'm positive you've yelled an expletive at someone.

Why can't we all get along you ask?

Why? Cause we are human, were prone to mess it up.

Also, was not the U.S. from a violent past?

Natives vs Colonials...

Colonial vs Monarchies

Colonial vs Threatened natives

[Most Lee Harmless]

In response to Deznutz post-

Aye, but don't burst my bubble. I'd like to think we have evolved a little further in 300 years. To compare life and civilization now to back then is not very apt. The invention of corporations had a major impact on life as we now know it.

The corporation- a mechanism spawned from capitalism where a small group of people are able to earn incredible amounts of money while pretending to work each day meanwhile dreaming of ways to further enhance their wealth by doing less.


Don't get me wrong- The corporation has enabled mankind to make strident advances in technology and development all the while kicking and screaming when the work day was shortened to 8 hours/day and 5 days a week. Thank goodness unions were another invention that helped combat the mindset of corporations and their capitalist ambitions.

Not far from me, there is a plaque on a wall, honoring a 19th century gentleman whose efforts bought about a law which limited the working day for a child to ten hours. Which was, no doubt, a gross limitation of their right to sell their labor freely, but I rather think a right to childhood unencumbered by such considerations takes precedence, even if it is not as profitable for the economy. Happily, the freedom to employ child-labor still exists in many other parts of the world and the global economy benefits mightily from it. Less so the child but hey, the freedom to improve their lot by unremitting labor cant be extinguished that easily and, in the final market analysis, its purely for their own benefit.

[DezNutz]

In response to Deznutz post-

Aye, but don't burst my bubble. I'd like to think we have evolved a little further in 300 years. To compare life and civilization now to back then is not very apt. The invention of corporations had a major impact on life as we now know it.

The corporation- a mechanism spawned from capitalism where a small group of people are able to earn incredible amounts of money while pretending to work each day meanwhile dreaming of ways to further enhance their wealth by doing less.


Don't get me wrong- The corporation has enabled mankind to make strident advances in technology and development all the while kicking and screaming when the work day was shortened to 8 hours/day and 5 days a week. Thank goodness unions were another invention that helped combat the mindset of corporations and their capitalist ambitions.

I'm not trying to burst your bubble.

While the world has changed in 300 years, the principles behind socialism, communism, democracy, and capitalism have remained the same. As well, the world seems to like to forget or ignore history and repeat it instead of studying it and learning from the mistakes that were made.

[Maha]

but those 'principles'were never 'pure' :0 the PRC is and was totally different from the USSR, cuba and North Korea and african 'democratic republics' all communist/ socialist countries; but the climate and historical background make them totally different.

banana republics can be 'left'or 'right' but use the same forms of oppression.
Democracy only works in an environment where minorities are protected by the majority. in tribal settings (like the middle east, like asian countries , like african countries) the majority tribe favors her own at the cost of the minorites. no import of democracy will bring peace there.