same old stan

[Most Lee Harmless]

I think we should let Europe do Europe.. when or if Russia wants war with us then we shall oblige but for right now they want business deals

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

Of course, as long as it's other folks liberty being traded for your safety... well.. that's only business.

[Meliva]

Yeah, I know japan brought us into ww2. That's why if you actually read what I wrote, I said someone in Europe OR Asia drags us in. We were dragged into ww1 if i recall correctly because germany attacked our ships. So once we were dragged in because of someone in Asia, and once from someone in Europe. Maybe next one will be someone in Africa. I'm betting Chad, just because I like it's name .

Yes, we also did sell goods to both sides. We were not allied to either during that war at that point, and as a neutral party, we are allowed to do trade with whoever we want. Now granted, trading with nazis isn't a good look, but I'm not sure how much we knew what they were doing at that point.

also good freaking luck nuking both the United states and Russia. In case you didn't realize, those are the 2 biggest nuclear powers. For every nuke you could hit us with, we could hit you with multiple. And uh, side note, we're also much larger then most other countries. Most of Europe is small land wise. All grouped together. Can you guess who'd be walking out of that fight a lot worse off? Won't be us that's for sure. Not that we wouldn't be hurt badly from it. That's a lose lose there. But again, your side would be even worse off then ours.

I'd also love to see Russia actually manage to build a large enough fleet and handle the logistics to actually do an invasion of the united states. There's a reason why most people say the US is basically impossible to invade. 2 big oceans, a powerful navy, a powerful airforce, more guns then citizens, even if you could do it, it would be so damn costly and hard, you'd be better off doing just about anything else, and again, that's not counting the nukes.

Also yes, we should leave Europe to their own affairs. So many people harp on and on about how bad the US is, while still expecting our support.

We don't need to guard the whole freaking world. It's time we stopped trying to be the world police, and focus on our own issues which we have plenty of. We can very easily protect our own liberty and safety by just having our navies guard the 2 giant oceans on our sides, and our armies keeping an eye on any invasion from the north or south.

[Mack]

I put myself there to pay for my freedom.. why should I pay for theirs when they could do exactly the same as I did for their own.. I hate it when people want to be like well you're doing good you should feel obligated to make it good for me too

If I choose that I have enough to spare I'll help but I'm keeping me good I'm not obligated to anyone

[Meliva]

I put myself there to pay for my freedom.. why should I pay for theirs when they could do exactly the same as I did for their own.. I hate it when people want to be like well you're doing good you should feel obligated to make it good for me too

yeah it's like some bum asking you to feed and clothe his kids, just because he sees' you're fed and clothed. Not my circus not my monkeys. You can't demand charity, or act like people are obligated to help you just because one is doing badly and another is doing well. If I have some extra food or some old clothes I'm not using, I'd probably give it to him, or to a charity, but if he comes up demanding that crap, he can feck off. Charity needs to be done willingly, out of the goodness of ones own heart. Otherwise it isn't charity, it's just robbery.

You can ask us to help you. That's fine. We can agree to do so, or refuse. We can even ask for something in return. But you shouldn't try to lecture us into helping you, while badmouthing us in the same breath. Feck off if you try to do that, solve it yourself.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Ukraine has done as well as it has for a few reasons.

1- It's a very large country land wise. It's a lot harder to take and hold a large area of land, then a small area. That's why so many invasions against Russia have failed. Further in you go, harder it is to keep your supply lines up. Easier it is for enemies to get behind you.

2- Wars tend to have a slight advantage to defenders. You need to fight people who are probably entrenched, in defensive positions, all while you need to get a foot hold.

3-I think Russia seriously underestimate how much a fight they were going to put and made a few nasty blunders.

4- probably the most important reason, Ukraine isn't holding them off alone. They have received hundreds of billions of dollars of aid, while Russia has been hit with sanctions. If no aid was given to Ukraine at all, and nothing was done to try to punish Russia, Ukraine probably would have fallen by now.

Even with all this support, Ukraine is just holding on, but the longer it goes on, the worse it will be for them. Unless other countries are willing to put boots on the ground, Ukraine will slowly be worn down to nothing- and even if they do manage to fend off Russia, their population is going to be decimated.

There is an allegation from Tucker Carlson that Ukraine has been selling some of our provided weapons on the black market
I want to see how that accusation turns out
I mean it is obvious Zedumsky wants the money to keep coming in but selling our aid on the market could lead to some nasty stuff

Seriously you believe stuff that puppet says? He is so pro-Russian he is willing to make a multitude of false statements regarding Ukraine while only saying good things about Russia. There is a reason why he is one of a dwindling number of western journalists inside Russia. He's a Putin ally. I'm also sad that you buy into the conspiracy theory that there were secret labs in Ukraine. It shocks me to see Americans like you who at least from most of your comments seem to support Russia (more) a country who invaded one if it's neighbors and started one of the most major wars since WW2 compared to Ukraine the country that was actually invaded in 2014 and then again in 2022.

And China didn't have labs funded with US dollars either... it was all above board just another Biological Threat Reduction Program right?
There's no way it would be used to create viruses that our "enemy" would be in control of... right?
I mean, if we let our enemy do that, we certainly wouldn't let our allies, right? Especially neighboring the Democrat's favorite boogieman.
Well, the following is from our embassy there soooooooo... nope no USA-funded labs in Ukraine. Glad you set me straight

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[Leo]

And when and if the next world war comes up, and Russia starts conquering all of you after we pull our assets or some other power over there starts causing trouble, can you promise us no one will come asking for help? Actually leave us outta it this time? Cause it seems like every time we try to avoid sending soldiers and weaposn over there, someone over in Europe or Asia decides to come along and drag us into the mess. Happened both times in the world wars so far. Why not make it a third at this point.

I'm all for pulling outta all these foreign countries. Sad part is, I just know that it's only a matter of time before someone ends up dragging us back in.

When the next world war comes, we better hope we still have allies to fight by our side like we did in the last two or we are done for sure. Making them all hate us isn't exactly doing us a favor in that area.

Besides, there's that one Einstein quote I think of every time I hear world war III. "I do not know with what weapons world war three will be fought, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones". Maybe I'd rather not be around for it

[Most Lee Harmless]

Did you read what I wrote? Nobody wants your help because its not help, under Trump it simply asking another gangster to come rob you instead of Putin.

Stay away. Lock yourself up in your own little bubble of self-superiority. That went so well for you in the 1930's. Hey, you do know the high tariff policy of isolationist USA was a key factor in creating the Great Depression, don't you. Repeat the same mistakes. Just keep your nutcase of a President and his mania out of our affairs. Smartest thing we coukd do is to agree with America First and leave you to do it all yourselves. Stop exporting any goods to the US and stop importing any of your stuff. Then you can cheer because you ain't 'subsidising' anyone anymore. Zero trade balances!

Just take all your junk with you when you leave.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I think we should let Europe do Europe.. when or if Russia wants war with us then we shall oblige but for right now they want business deals

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

Of course, as long as it's other folks liberty being traded for your safety... well.. that's only business.

says the one from a nation that has all but given its gun rights up for safety
The easiest countries to invade are one's whose populace can't defend itself

[Most Lee Harmless]

Hey Mel : of course you and the Russians have got more nukes than us. Enough to toast thr globe several times over. But the thing is, it only needs a few, in the right places, to reduce the globe to a right mess... and we do have a few.
Irradiate the oil-fields and that's a pretty big mess to start with. Nuke the polar icefields and yep... another long-term mess. Take out the Suez and Panama Canals, the Mallaca Straits and a few other key maritime bottlenecks and good luck keeping world trade running much less moving all those carrier fleets around.

The world is a fragile place.

[Meliva]

Unless the majority of the rest of the world all decide to unite to fight us, I'm not too worried. Again, we have 2 big oceans on both sides, a large population, tons of guns, and the biggest military budget, and probably the biggest military in the world. Other then nukes, I can't see any nation managing to invade the mainland US. Canada and Mexico might be able to push in for a bit, but neither has militaries close to the size of ours. I also doubt either would want to invade us. It's an unfair fight for them, and without some damn good foreign support, won't end well for them. Defensive wars tend to favor the defender, and with the natural defense of 2 oceans, relatively weak neighbors, large diverse climates from mountains, to deserts, to swamps, huge population, tons of guns, any attempt to invade the US faces so many issues and problems I really do not see it ever happening. I'm more worried about what I believe Lincoln once said. If anything is going to bring down the US, it's going to be a threat from within.

Also, funniest crap I read today. Nobody wanting America's help. Yeah, sure, you might not want it, since you feel so offended by what Trump is doing, but last I checked, you're not the king of the world, nor are you the chosen representative for all foreign people outside the US.

It's also rich talking about self superiority, when so many foreigners seem to just love to mock the United States. Talking about how so many places have healthcare, or free college, or talking crap about school shootings in America. But when the US starts talking about stopping sending support to other nations and focusing on our own problems, oh no sound the alarms, they can't do that, we need the money of the biggest economy in the world, of the biggest military in the world, oh but we'll still talk crap regardless.

And yeah, the few nukes other nations have could mess up the world. Okay. Cool. Wipe out all human life just to spite your enemy. I'm sure that's a good idea. Rather then figure out a way to survive and bounce back.

Look at Poland, it's been conquered, and crushed so many times yet it always managed to claw it's way back. Better to live and survive to rise again, then just burn yourself and everyone to ash out of spite.