the outback

[Lachlan]

Also a funny thing I found reading through the long post(gonna refer to Spartacus' article as this) is that Taiwan is mass producing a non-RNA vaccine, and everyone here is afraid of it.

While the long post seems pretty reasonable at first, it does get ridiculous towards the end. You know mind control could have been really useful when the ANA fled before the Taliban.

well I guess it depends on how advanced that research is
firstly while its not an idea I can just accept on face value the fact the researcher could give someone a shot and monitor someones heart from what was injected is proof of concept on a minute level so I cant call it lunacy

secondly the ceiling for normalcy continues changing the us is 70 percent vaxxed and now they want 96-98 percent vaxed before "normalcy" can be had

for a disease that has killed way less than 1 percent of the us population it sure seems odd to want a 96-98 percent vax rate for a vaccine that does nothing more than possibly weaken the effects of covid
I have posted before that there are 2 diseases that kill 2x and 3x what covid does .... where is the big push to eradicate those diseases or offer treatmentsfor free... both are multi billion dollar money making diseases yet... nothing

the big push the mandates the demonization of the unvaxxed makes folks like me say fook your vaccine if it doesn't come with a choice it isn't coming in this house unless I'm deceased because I've decided as it currently is I'm not getting it

when I say this house I mean me because my better half and my children can decide for themselves as they are all adults and may have reasons outside of my own to get it.
one is army bet she gets it
one is a nurse and while she is holding out I think it may eventually be mandated for her she can quit or get it no hate from me either way
my better half isn't fond of the idea but if she were ... still no hate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d525Alv_szo&t=405s

this is my biggest problem with the vax mandates from the gov for medical issues is horsecrap
but hey they may get a pres in that gets the cure for gay and he forces it on everyone with sore booties and rug burns I wonder if you would support that govt mandate
the only thing changed in that scenario is the interest group being targeted
I'm sure I could make an argument financially that taxpayers are paying for sore booties and rug burns if they are on govt assistance and as such need the gay away vax

do you think people have the right to object to taking the vaccine on religious grounds considering the WI38 ingredient knowns as human diploid lung fibroblasts are from aborted human fetal cells?

70 percent fully vaccinated is the bare minimum. The recommended level is essentially between 80% and 90%

[Dmanwuzhere]

the recommended level for a vaccine that somewhat reduces the effects of covid and still allows for transmission and infection should only represent those with the underlying issues that make covid deadly sooooo like what 30-40 percent lol
the hundreds of doctors who have spoken against the vaccine utilizing medical arguments have been removed from social platforms and not covered by the media
when both sides are not equally represented due to the concentrated efforts of one side to silence the other i discount the side that is the only one being heard because a medical issue made political is untrustworthy

[Lachlan]

the recommended level for a vaccine that somewhat reduces the effects of covid and still allows for transmission and infection should only represent those with the underlying issues that make covid deadly sooooo like what 30-40 percent lol
the hundreds of doctors who have spoken against the vaccine utilizing medical arguments have been removed from social platforms and not covered by the media
when both sides are not equally represented due to the concentrated efforts of one side to silence the other i discount the side that is the only one being heard because a medical issue made political is untrustworthy

no that would not work at all. Vaccines need herd immunity. 30-40 percent would do almost nothing to stop any infectious disease. If you got Covid you probably would have immunity. I don't think that that would get it up to herd immunity though. Most vaccines for any disease is 60% or higher with most being around the 75% to 90% range

[sXs]

the recommended level for a vaccine that somewhat reduces the effects of covid and still allows for transmission and infection should only represent those with the underlying issues that make covid deadly sooooo like what 30-40 percent lol
the hundreds of doctors who have spoken against the vaccine utilizing medical arguments have been removed from social platforms and not covered by the media
when both sides are not equally represented due to the concentrated efforts of one side to silence the other i discount the side that is the only one being heard because a medical issue made political is untrustworthy

no that would not work at all. Vaccines need herd immunity. 30-40 percent would do almost nothing to stop any infectious disease. If you got Covid you probably would have immunity. I don't think that that would get it up to herd immunity though. Most vaccines for any disease is 60% or higher with most being around the 75% to 90% range

There is a problem with the "herd immunity" argument. The vaccine does not give you immunity. It only reduces the severity of the symptoms. Herd immunity is not achievable because there is no immunity from a vaccine.

If you doubt this, ask your doctor, not a politician or the media.

[sXs]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204

Headline....."Covid-19 in Wales: A third of positive cases are unvaccinated"

just do a bit of critical thinking here. For those into the math...... if 1/3 of new cases are unvaccinated.... that means 2/3 of new cases are vaccinated.

Also "Nearly 13% of hospital patients with confirmed Covid were unvaccinated"

13% of those hospitalized were unvaccinated...... means 87% of patients with confirmed Covid WERE vaccinated.

So much for your herd immunity argument.

[D00T]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204

Headline....."Covid-19 in Wales: A third of positive cases are unvaccinated"

just do a bit of critical thinking here. For those into the math...... if 1/3 of new cases are unvaccinated.... that means 2/3 of new cases are vaccinated.

Also "Nearly 13% of hospital patients with confirmed Covid were unvaccinated"

13% of those hospitalized were unvaccinated...... means 87% of patients with confirmed Covid WERE vaccinated.

So much for your herd immunity argument.

Also in the same article

"PHW said the vaccines had helped keep Covid hospital numbers much lower during the third wave. Although 80% of patients have been double-dosed with a vaccine, public health officials said this is not evidence that the vaccine is not working - and that vaccines keep 95% of people out of hospital. Without its protection, the numbers in hospital would be far greater, they added."

"Vaccines, while helping protect many of us from serious illness, do not stop us catching Covid. Many will get mild symptoms but for those in vulnerable groups, who may have other conditions or diseases, catching Covid could still lead to a complication."

"The hospital admissions rate is 53 per 100,000 of the population in those unvaccinated compared to 32 per 100,000 in those fully vaccinated, in the past month. Broken down, the hospital admissions rate for the under 60s is 3.5 times higher for unvaccinated, compared to those vaccinated. It is also 1.9 times greater for those unvaccinated who are over 60 and those who have been vaccinated."

[sXs]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204

Headline....."Covid-19 in Wales: A third of positive cases are unvaccinated"

just do a bit of critical thinking here. For those into the math...... if 1/3 of new cases are unvaccinated.... that means 2/3 of new cases are vaccinated.

Also "Nearly 13% of hospital patients with confirmed Covid were unvaccinated"

13% of those hospitalized were unvaccinated...... means 87% of patients with confirmed Covid WERE vaccinated.

So much for your herd immunity argument.

Also in the same article

"PHW said the vaccines had helped keep Covid hospital numbers much lower during the third wave. Although 80% of patients have been double-dosed with a vaccine, public health officials said this is not evidence that the vaccine is not working - and that vaccines keep 95% of people out of hospital. Without its protection, the numbers in hospital would be far greater, they added."

"Vaccines, while helping protect many of us from serious illness, do not stop us catching Covid. Many will get mild symptoms but for those in vulnerable groups, who may have other conditions or diseases, catching Covid could still lead to a complication."

"The hospital admissions rate is 53 per 100,000 of the population in those unvaccinated compared to 32 per 100,000 in those fully vaccinated, in the past month. Broken down, the hospital admissions rate for the under 60s is 3.5 times higher for unvaccinated, compared to those vaccinated. It is also 1.9 times greater for those unvaccinated who are over 60 and those who have been vaccinated."

You need a lesson in reading comprehension. Please go back and read what my post was directed at.

Specifically, it was directed towards the Herd Immunity argument. None of the things you point out change the fact that herd immunity can not be abhieved. In fact, your points actually reinforce the point that herd immunity is impossible.

[D00T]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204

Headline....."Covid-19 in Wales: A third of positive cases are unvaccinated"

just do a bit of critical thinking here. For those into the math...... if 1/3 of new cases are unvaccinated.... that means 2/3 of new cases are vaccinated.

Also "Nearly 13% of hospital patients with confirmed Covid were unvaccinated"

13% of those hospitalized were unvaccinated...... means 87% of patients with confirmed Covid WERE vaccinated.

So much for your herd immunity argument.

Also in the same article

"PHW said the vaccines had helped keep Covid hospital numbers much lower during the third wave. Although 80% of patients have been double-dosed with a vaccine, public health officials said this is not evidence that the vaccine is not working - and that vaccines keep 95% of people out of hospital. Without its protection, the numbers in hospital would be far greater, they added."

"Vaccines, while helping protect many of us from serious illness, do not stop us catching Covid. Many will get mild symptoms but for those in vulnerable groups, who may have other conditions or diseases, catching Covid could still lead to a complication."

"The hospital admissions rate is 53 per 100,000 of the population in those unvaccinated compared to 32 per 100,000 in those fully vaccinated, in the past month. Broken down, the hospital admissions rate for the under 60s is 3.5 times higher for unvaccinated, compared to those vaccinated. It is also 1.9 times greater for those unvaccinated who are over 60 and those who have been vaccinated."

You need a lesson in reading comprehension. Please go back and read what my post was directed at.

Specifically, it was directed towards the Herd Immunity argument. None of the things you point out change the fact that herd immunity can not be abhieved. In fact, your points actually reinforce the point that herd immunity is impossible.

You're welcome.

Although I was never arguing for herd immunity, just commenting on the article.

[Dmanwuzhere]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204

Headline....."Covid-19 in Wales: A third of positive cases are unvaccinated"

just do a bit of critical thinking here. For those into the math...... if 1/3 of new cases are unvaccinated.... that means 2/3 of new cases are vaccinated.

Also "Nearly 13% of hospital patients with confirmed Covid were unvaccinated"

13% of those hospitalized were unvaccinated...... means 87% of patients with confirmed Covid WERE vaccinated.

So much for your herd immunity argument.

Also in the same article

"PHW said the vaccines had helped keep Covid hospital numbers much lower during the third wave. Although 80% of patients have been double-dosed with a vaccine, public health officials said this is not evidence that the vaccine is not working - and that vaccines keep 95% of people out of hospital. Without its protection, the numbers in hospital would be far greater, they added."

"Vaccines, while helping protect many of us from serious illness, do not stop us catching Covid. Many will get mild symptoms but for those in vulnerable groups, who may have other conditions or diseases, catching Covid could still lead to a complication."

"The hospital admissions rate is 53 per 100,000 of the population in those unvaccinated compared to 32 per 100,000 in those fully vaccinated, in the past month. Broken down, the hospital admissions rate for the under 60s is 3.5 times higher for unvaccinated, compared to those vaccinated. It is also 1.9 times greater for those unvaccinated who are over 60 and those who have been vaccinated."

so we take the third wave numbers mix it with all admissions from start to now then say 53 per 100k vs 32 per 100k lol sounds good
nice way to try and bury the fact 80 percent of vaxxed being hospitalized as patients cant also mean the vaxx keeps 95 percent out of the hosp in this wave

[D00T]

I believe it meant that while 80% of hospitalized people are vaccinated, it only made up 5% of the vaccinated population(My math might be off since that 5% was around 107319).

Also with vaccination percentage going up wouldn't that also mean that you're more likely to find a vaccinated person among the hospitalized since there are less unvaxxed people?