TRUMP 2020!

[The Lamb]

You still don't get it, do you?

Deaths come AFTER infections. Days after. Weeks after. Exactly how long after, varies. That means death rates are "smoothed", and any increase or decrease in deaths will come after an increase or a decrease in inflations.

So if infection rates are rising now, it means that death rates will take longer before dropping to a normal level, or they may even increase further in a week or three, at least if infection rates continue to rise.

My grahs show infection rates varying as a sinus curve, for simplicity. That's the blue line. The other line is death rates, assuming that death occurs 0-29 days after infection, with all delays being equally probable.

Oh i get what your saying, what your not getting is that even with what you just said, the death rate has been flat no matter the increase of cases since May, as a matter of fact it has decreased. So unless you are saying that we have to wait 6 months for a person with corona to pass then your argument does not match the actual data from the Center of Disease Control.

Aside from a slight increase and the decrease in April, there has been NO increase in the amount of deaths per day that goes along with the exponential increase in positives. How many more months before we can expect to see the rise of deaths from May, June, July, August, September, and October? I thought there was a two to 3 week infection period?!

[Stan Rogers]

Yea...a lot of stupid stuff done that could have been prevented.
IF Trump would have come out with the info that the virus was airborne transmission instead of hiding it for months
I am sure most folks using their common sense would quickly adorn masks for their own protection.

Instead, this info was held and only released in Woodward's book and admitted when brought to light.
When was that ? July, August?
I believe the interview was done in March. The info out in March was very much speculation regarding transmission vectors but some did know the truth.
When did Cuomo ship back those elderly ? Did he have the same info as the Pres ? No It was withheld and poor decisions were made because of it.
The PM in my country was very slow in closing the border. It should have been done when the first case died in Oregon. To say at the time there was only 15 cases total, even I knw it was a load of hooey as the guy had the disease at least 2=4 weeks before it was even reported and who knows how many he spread it to.

Regardless, we can learn from past mistakes I would hope but not as long as we hold onto silly notions that its not real or that it is not deadly or masking is a waste of time.

Lots of stupid stuff happened at the other side of the pendulum swing as well. Father and son playing catch in an empty park being fined for unnecessary exposure of the public health. Yep...lots of stupid to go around so claiming whataboutism doesn't cut much hay in my way of thinking

[Meliva]

Yeah I do agree that on both sides mistakes were made. Which is why I don't like anyone trying to put all the blame on any one person or group. I think too many folks tried to give Trump more blame then he deserved. Now I do admit he made mistakes, but he isn't the sole problem in how we handled this disease. China should have been more open and honest from the start, as that would have helped the world, WHO should have done a better job then they did, etc.

Largely, I put the Lion's share of the blame onto China, though I will admit that other's made mistakes as well, and it isn't entirely their fault either.

[Stan Rogers]

Mel..it was the Chinese leader that told trump it was air born according to the trump recordings

[Meliva]

I'm referring more to how China acted when it first broke out. I recall many of their doctors were told and some even punished to keep quiet. This was back in late 2019 I believe when it first started spreading over in China.

Do you recall when the Chinese leader told trump that info? I believe it had to be sometime 2020 when it was starting to spread everywhere.

[Stan Rogers]

Don't get me wrong as I am not taking China's side in any way and I am extremely skeptical in their public reporting of their numbers.
Their allowance or lack of proper guidelines I believe is responsible for this world pandemic.
When Trump was talking to Woodward, he admitted that Xi told him it was far worse than was being reported, that it was actually air born.
That was in March I believe. There was not a lot known then about how the virus was transmitted or how long it could live on surfaces of various substances.
The rest of the world had to start from scratch to learn things China already knew. Xi passed it on to the USA and there the info stopped. That info should have been shouted to the world right away.

[Meliva]

exactly. And to be fair to trump-could he really trust what XI said? By March I believe he had already set up the travel ban from China-which his opponents labelled xenophobic at first until switching to saying he should have done more and sooner.

Largely, like you said-China should have shared their info immediately, and freely. Part of me thinks they wanted this disease to spread so they wouldn't be the only ones to suffer from it. Again, that's just my opinion however.

[Dmanwuzhere]

lmao
man blew his brains out with a shotgun but do you know what his cause of death was? covid
horrible motorcycle accident kills a man ... cause of death ... yep covid

notice a black man dies with a cops knee on his neck however and has covid and despite the drugs in his system his cause of death is yep not covid

flu disappears its been cured now there is only covid

multiple testing on same person can be 20 cases of covid instead of 1

hospitals get paid incentives for every case of covid

everyone but especially trump rallies must wear masks and social distance because covid will get ya if you dont

unless you are pelosi in which case you dont need a mask or need to stay outside of the salon as the city mandates for everyone else
or if you are burning looting or rioting
or if you are biden and want to wear it on the neck that is enough protection in and of itself


if you dont think our cases are overexaggerated cool


but when this started it was about the deaths
now its about how many cases
i cant wait until we get 330 million cases then the usa will be cured
as only two people have been found to catch that ol rona twice

but if you arent in the usa it really boils down to you sucking my toe because your opinion doesnt really matter
but i wont lockdown and i only wear a mask in places that dont require me to out of politeness
i have no problem distributing my cash to folks who hope you are sensible enough to protect yourself from anything they may have or have come into contact with and are sensible enough to wear a mask if you dont but are not willing to try and dictate what others do

[Stan Rogers]

Yea..there is the lack of any sort of trustworthy statements that comes from China's 'press releases" and rightly so.


The whole world was slow in closing the gates as the horses had already left the barn.
We got our first cases on the west coast as well but Toronto quickly followed suit from infected European travel.

Atlantic canada was quick to close off itself from the rest of the country and they have had a incredibly successful recovery rate and an extremely low infection rate. They even opened up tourism traffic among the 4 provinces but living in Ontario, I cannot go there unless I do the quarantine thing for 14 days. I own property there !

That's okay by me however. I want them to stay safe, keep their economy going and right now they are operating like their own little country all be it with a much smaller pop base to cater to.

[Stan Rogers]

Dman, it's always been about the deaths.
The number infected does not matter.
The amount of tests does not matter.

What matters is the number of people who have lost their life or the ones who have been impacted by debilitating after effects.
Let us know how it treats you after you have your little flu. Hopefully you be one of the lucky ones that survive with no lasting effects