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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby DezNutz » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:24 pm

L.M. wrote:Oh my, there are so so many of you that I would love to say "OK Boomer" to, but I feel it would discredit any points I've made.

Danik, thank you for busting climate experts Mack and Dez's asses.

Dear Mack, Dez, Argo, and anyone else who thinks they know better than the science,

You do not have to care about the climate. You do not have to care about the future of the world. For all I know, you might be dead by the time it affects Earth. No. I don't care how much you care about the trees, forests and birds. I don't care how much you care about the turtles, the fish, and the seahorses. I don't care if you do or don't care whether polar bears are forced out of existence due to Humanity's own doings.

But I ask you to please, please, please, just like if you were a child again attending a summer camp, leave the Earth better than you found it. It would mean a lot.

The generations ahead of me have screwed things up. Screwed 'em up badly. Some take time to fix it. Some don't. But, if you want to make sure you leave a legacy, make people remember how great you were, then clean up after yourself. It's a skill that has been taught to young people from the beginning of time. You make a mess, you clean it up. Now it's your turn. Don't make my generation be the last.

Sincerely,

L.M.


Dear Lost on Reality,

Maybe you should read Danik's statement again. While he is correct that many scientific theories cannot be proven without a doubt, such as Relativity, That is not the case for all science. It is scientific fact that the Earth is a oblate spheroid. It can be definitively proven. It is scientific fact that the Earth rotates and orbits the sun. Those are definitive facts proven by science.

Climate Change is not a fact. It is a theory. As Danik said, the models show change. Sure, but it's only a theory because there is no proof that the changes we are seeing aren't part of Earth's natural cycles. We weren't around to take actual measurements from between the last two ice ages. We can hypothesize and make educated guesses based on data, but those guesses are not fact. As such, Climate Theory is only a theory. Yes, the climate is changing, but is that change outside of Earth's natural cycles. We don't know, so you can't definitively say that Climate Change and the hypothesis presented are fact. Stop presenting it as such.

It is not settle science, so stop treating it like it is.

And in speaking about Danik's statement on Relativity, Einstein's Theory of General Relativity model still stands and has not been disproven. What has happened is that work stemmed from the base model to create additional Theories that relate to it. The base model to this date hasn't been proven wrong nor changed to match data. Climate Theory on the other hand has.

Furthermore, taking care of the environment and believing in the Theory of Climate Change are not mutually inclusive.

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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:27 pm

Climate change HAS been proven.

Did anyone watch the VP debates last night?

I think that the winner was the fly on Pence's forehead :D
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Mack » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:24 pm

there is no doubt we affect the environment, but do we really need all of that? why dont we push other nations to come up to par with us instead of us paying for them to be reackless.. on top of that can we do somethjng that would help the environment more than pad pockets of politicans
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:27 pm

I don't know Mack.

If it were up to me, I would push other countries to become environmentally sound.

But it ain't up to me (lucky for you :D)

I would be all for a strong environmental plan that did not benefit politicians. I believe there was a plan like that submitted a while ago, but McConnell blocked the senate from voting on it.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Mack » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:10 pm

what was it the new green deal lmao read about and tell me about it make it sound good.. please ill listen
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:16 pm

Bingo :arr

I read it already.

Why do I like it? Because I think we should meet climate change head on with aggressive tacticts.

No, it doesn't mean that airplanes will be banned. No it doesn't mean that the government is coming for your hamburgers. That's just what Fox wants you to think. If you actually read it, you will find nothing of the sorts. Really the only downfall is that it will cost a lot of money. But to me, it's worth it.

I, unlike Trump, prioritize the environment over the economy. The economy will always change. Boosting it will only make it good for a few years, then it could plummet. The environment is different. We have one chance. Climate change isn't gonna go away in a couple of years.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby DezNutz » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:37 pm

L.M. wrote:Climate change HAS been proven.

Did anyone watch the VP debates last night?

I think that the winner was the fly on Pence's forehead :D


The climate changing and the hypothesis and predictions related to Climate Theory are two entirely different things.

Stop conflating that climate changes to mean that the Climate Change Theory is fact. It isn't.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:39 pm

Sorry Doctor DezNutz, senior climatologist, PhD.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby DezNutz » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:49 pm

L.M. wrote:Sorry Doctor DezNutz, senior climatologist, PhD.


You can call me whatever you want, doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:54 pm

I am? How about I consult a few scientists?
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