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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby DezNutz » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:14 pm

Lord Mustache wrote:"Will you condemn white supremacy groups like the Proud Boys?" is a baited question?

No one really knows what stand back and stand by means, except that it doesn't mean he condemns them. Why? Because now the Proud Boys think he's on their side.

He is so quick to condemn Antifa (Which isn't really an organization), the likes of which will probably vote for Biden. But he refuses to condemn white supremacists who will most likely vote for him because he doesn't want to lose any support. That action in of itself should have lost him some support.


Yes. Any question that is done to draw a particular response or reaction, ie a gotcha question, is a baited question. The mere question is entire done to garner a response, and to use that response against you.

For example:

When did you stop beating your boyfriend?
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:17 pm

El Draque : people live in Africa because they have adapted to do so. People live in Death Valley because they have adapted to do so. People live on flood plains because they have adapted to do so. People live on low-lying Pacific atolls because they have adapted to do so.
Its those adaptations that are at risk. Increasing sea-levels mean that without action being taken, without adapting to those changes, in a few decades my home will be on a small island instead of a mile back from the coast.
My home, my community, is not built nor laid out nor structured to be on an island. In blunt terms, to remain it will have to build a fuck-load of bridges. My nice comfy car is rendered useless and I am going to have to learn to sail a boat. Some-one is going to have to learn how to build a fuck-load of boats. The sewers here will be rendered useless. Gonna need a fuck-load of cess-pitts too. Fresh water supplies will be contaminated with salt-water. But thats okay because the water-treatment plant will need re-locating too. As will the power-station. Unless we build a seriously big sea-wall. And thats just my little bit of the coast.
Once, way back, the Romans built an incredible irrigation system that made North Africa bloom. It was the grain-basket of the Roman Empire. Not anymore. It collapsed into disuse, it was not maintained, it returned to desert. That is our future, building defences and maintaining them decade after decade. Rebuilding our entire world to survive in the new environment.

Assuming we dont just kill each other off in a fight for fresh water or land to actually live on.
Humanity has adapted to live in some pretty inhospitable places. But the margin of survival is ever slimmer the more we stray outside the 'norm' of which we as a species are best able yo thrive in. We can survive in the Arctic with immense effort but we can not thrive there.

To survive in the inhospitable environments we need the better placed to supply us with that which we can not survive without. If those places become crippled or overwhelmed with their own problems, then surviving in the harsher climes becomes untenable.

Covid should teach us that lesson at the very least : globalisation of supply chains only works when every link is actually able to interact globally. Break a link and we is all buggered.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:20 pm

Ahh, but what if you were never beating your boyfriend at all.

The answer to Chris's question is either yes or no. There is no third, forth or fifth answer. It's either "Yes, I condemn them" or "No I won't".

If Trump said "Yes, I condemn them" then you know what? I would have sighed a breath of relief. So would Biden and Wallace. That wouldn't and couldn't have been used against him. By failing to condemn them, he put himself in a situation ready to be attacked for not doing so.

But you didn't even watch the debate, you just heard from some very obvious source. You heard what you wanted to hear and decided that Trump did an excellent job.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby DezNutz » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:42 pm

Lord Mustache wrote:Ahh, but what if you were never beating your boyfriend at all.

The answer to Chris's question is either yes or no. There is no third, forth or fifth answer. It's either "Yes, I condemn them" or "No I won't".

If Trump said "Yes, I condemn them" then you know what? I would have sighed a breath of relief. So would Biden and Wallace. That wouldn't and couldn't have been used against him. By failing to condemn them, he put himself in a situation ready to be attacked for not doing so.

But you didn't even watch the debate, you just heard from some very obvious source. You heard what you wanted to hear and decided that Trump did an excellent job.


How many times does Trump have to say he does not condone racism? He has been asked the questions before. So the only reason to continually ask it is because its a baited question.

Also you didn't answer the question. You deflected by posing a question. Are you hiding something? Please answer the question, When did you stop beating your boyfriend?
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:49 pm

Alright, I will answer the question:

I have no boyfriend. I stopped beating him the moment I didn't meet him. There. Happy?

So Trump does not condone racism. Shouldn't that be a red flag? Why doesn't he? Is he himself a racist? I think most people already know the answer to that. It's a rhetorical question.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby The Lamb » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:06 pm

Danik, there was never a question that the seas were going to rise, we are in an interglacial period and the seas haven't yet risen to the level they were during the last one. The aboriginals made it to Australia via the land bridge that is no longer there due to ice melt. The Indians did the same with a land bridge near Alaska, underwater. You could walk from Europe proper to the UK, follow the migration patterns. Thats all under water! Islands have been getting smaller for thousands of years, hell, Italy and Greece have been getting smaller, Florida is about 1/2 the size it was during the last Glacial max 15k years Ago.

So what do we have to look forward to? Well any ice already in water has already displaced the water and wont cause a rise. This means northern polar ice wont matter, this Means the portion of Ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica on water wont mater. Antarctica is a desert by definition, too cold to snow. It gets more snow and glacial growth when the global temp warms up. Thats why you have some lakes under the ice that are millions of years old even though temps have been much higher then they are now! Means the ice there doesn't ever melt! So I would say Antarctica is out. So that leaves us Greenland with ice melt that contributes 1mm of sea rise per year. Thats right people, that means that in 50 years, we could see a 2.25 inch coastal rise thanks to Greenland ice melt. Better make them boats have flat bottoms.

Look... im not saying we arent going to need to adapt to climate changes. Our ability to adapt put us at the top of the food chain. My issue is the articles that 2006 was going to be horrific globally with sea rising, then 2010, then 2016, then 2017, then 2018 then 2020 now its 2030 and 2050. They keep predicting catastrophe, it doesnt happen so they kick the catastrophe football down the field, meanwhile we scare the crap out of our kids make bad decisions and come out with toilet paper simulants like the green new deal. I mean I believe that blue actually believes we will loose most of the life on earth from warming up a few degrees. That should scare the crap out of everyone because that level of thinking causes depression, hopelessness and desperation and further bad decisions.

But guess what, after all the chaos and destruction we like to include in our kids bed time stories now, its gonna get real real cold. Northern Europe, Canada, Northern Russia, Northern USA, all gone! Under a massive sheet of ice. The next cycle is set to hit in roughly 1500 years. Sure hope we are ready when the sea levels drop again but we loose land mass due to ice sheets :)
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:09 pm

Ooh, I have a test to see if the 2050 study was accurate! Let's see what percentage of species that existed in 2000 exist in 2050. Or wait, lets see if I die at the age of 48. How about that? Does that work for you, Draque?
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby The Lamb » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:15 pm

Lord Mustache wrote:Ooh, I have a test to see if the 2050 study was accurate! Let's see what percentage of species that existed in 2000 exist in 2050. Or wait, lets see if I die at the age of 48. How about that? Does that work for you, Draque?


Look, I have to admit after reading your response ... I have no idea what your saying right now. lmao! WHAT?
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby Leo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:17 pm

That was intended.
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Re: TRUMP 2020!

Postby The Lamb » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:33 pm

OOOOOOOOOO K. You dont like it when I use facts, figures and history do ya? I will admit one thing to you. You have really brought back the forum for me! I love seeing what you are going to say next everyday. So thanks for that :)
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