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Re: Biden 2020

Postby Meliva » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:26 pm

Blue mustache wrote:Mel, did you hear what I said? Just because they have the right to do something, doesn't mean that they should have that right.

Again, the world has never seen communism as it was meant to be, as Marx had envisioned it. What we think of as communism, Soviet Union, Cuba, China, isn't really communism at all because there is a dictator. You must admit, if communism was done right for once it could be the best thing to happen to the world. But I'm no communist. I don't like it all that much, Socialism makes more sense and seems better to me. And socialism has been successfully pulled off many times, without a dictator getting in the way. Anyway, the reason that most people that support these progressive ideas are under 40 is because, well, the ideas effect them the most. Why would some 75 year old man care about how the world will be in 30 years? But, let me tell you, young people are the future. You better start expecting these ideas being implemented, just as soon as we are old enough to run for Congress and hold political positions. If you don't like it, that's fine. You are welcome to share your opinions, and try to make change by calling your senators, writing bills, and hell maybe even running for a political position yourself. I guess what I'm saying is that this country is about to get a LOT more progressive. Don't expect things to always be the same.


So long as a right does not infringe on another's well being or their own rights, it should be protected. People should have the freedom to say whatever the hell they want to say, so long as it's not like yelling fire in a crowded theater. Just because YOU don't like what they may say does not mean you should be allowed to censor their speech.

As for where socialism has paid off, name a few. Don't just make a claim and not back it up. I can name quite a few places where socialism has ruined lives. Look at Venezuela. The biggest problem with communism and socialism is you give more power to the government to run things and help people, but once the government has all the power, what's to keep them from turning tyrannical? Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It's also very funny and naïve how you seem to think young people will remain progressive. Many will, upon growing up change. Especially the ones who listen and learn from older generations. I don't expect things to remain the same. Thankfully, when and if super progressives make their changes without thinking things through, after some time has passed and it results in the inevitable failure, hopefully the generation after will fix your mistakes.
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby One-armed chaney » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:27 pm

I'm a 20 year old college student. In high school, it was rare not to hear a fellow student railing against "the man" in progressive tirades. In college, it is rare not to hear fellow students railing against progressives for being disingenuous, ill-informed, and malicious in their pursuits. This is ironic considering I grew up hearing that the more educated someone becomes, the more left they lean. Now I'm here and everyone seems to be quite moderate or even slightly right leaning.
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby Meliva » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:40 pm

One-armed chaney wrote:I'm a 20 year old college student. In high school, it was rare not to hear a fellow student railing against "the man" in progressive tirades. In college, it is rare not to hear fellow students railing against progressives for being disingenuous, ill-informed, and malicious in their pursuits. This is ironic considering I grew up hearing that the more educated someone becomes, the more left they lean. Now I'm here and everyone seems to be quite moderate or even slightly right leaning.


It largely depends on their teachers and what fields you are in. Funny enough my grandpa had a saying. He claimed it seemed like the smarter some folks get, the dumber they get. He was referring to education I think, he dropped out in 5th or 6th grade, so I think he didn't have a high opinion of it.

Another saying I like is that anyone below 30 who isn't liberal has no heart, while anyone who is older then 30 and isn't conservative has no brain. Forget who said that though.
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby The Lamb » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:18 pm

Two main problems with communism/ socialism:

It goes against human nature so the rules of equality must be enforced somehow. That's why every socialist state in history has a dictator at its heart who must rule with an iron fist.

Second, it can't fail. With all the programs and free things its a ravenous beast eating and eating resources until it collapses and destroys itself. That's why no socialist government has lasted, unless they conquer new peoples and lands to exploit once they can't consume new areas then bye bye.

Blue, you have fallen prey to the same ramblings that communists have touted since the sixties, didn't I tell you a long time ago please don't ever use the old warn out excuse... no one has ever done it right... its a utopian view of the human condition that can never be ubtained.

Socialism brings a very small part of the population up and the rest down due to finite resources... supply and demand baby!
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby Meliva » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:18 pm

I'm pretty confident that when he tells me what places socialism has worked he'll also do the old standard reply and say the Scandinavian countries, despite the fact that, they are in fact not socialist but capitalist's with some social programs.
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby The Lamb » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:59 am

One-armed chaney wrote:I'm a 20 year old college student. In high school, it was rare not to hear a fellow student railing against "the man" in progressive tirades. In college, it is rare not to hear fellow students railing against progressives for being disingenuous, ill-informed, and malicious in their pursuits. This is ironic considering I grew up hearing that the more educated someone becomes, the more left they lean. Now I'm here and everyone seems to be quite moderate or even slightly right leaning.


What degree are you going for? Two things, im glad to hear that. I have noticed people starting to tire of being told what to think or else. That's not freedom, its fascism. Lastly, I did business school, not many BBA's or MBA's think socialism or communism is a good thing. Knowing how to do the math logically tears down that fantasy :)
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby Leo » Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:23 am

El Draque wrote:Two main problems with communism/ socialism:

It goes against human nature so the rules of equality must be enforced somehow. That's why every socialist state in history has a dictator at its heart who must rule with an iron fist.

Second, it can't fail. With all the programs and free things its a ravenous beast eating and eating resources until it collapses and destroys itself. That's why no socialist government has lasted, unless they conquer new peoples and lands to exploit once they can't consume new areas then bye bye.

Blue, you have fallen prey to the same ramblings that communists have touted since the sixties, didn't I tell you a long time ago please don't ever use the old warn out excuse... no one has ever done it right... its a utopian view of the human condition that can never be ubtained.

Socialism brings a very small part of the population up and the rest down due to finite resources... supply and demand baby!


Sweden is socialist, they have no dictator and they are doing great! I'm gonna move there if Trump gets re-elected :D
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby Meliva » Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:46 am

Blue mustache wrote:
El Draque wrote:Two main problems with communism/ socialism:

It goes against human nature so the rules of equality must be enforced somehow. That's why every socialist state in history has a dictator at its heart who must rule with an iron fist.

Second, it can't fail. With all the programs and free things its a ravenous beast eating and eating resources until it collapses and destroys itself. That's why no socialist government has lasted, unless they conquer new peoples and lands to exploit once they can't consume new areas then bye bye.

Blue, you have fallen prey to the same ramblings that communists have touted since the sixties, didn't I tell you a long time ago please don't ever use the old warn out excuse... no one has ever done it right... its a utopian view of the human condition that can never be ubtained.

Socialism brings a very small part of the population up and the rest down due to finite resources... supply and demand baby!


Sweden is socialist, they have no dictator and they are doing great! I'm gonna move there if Trump gets re-elected :D



Called it. Just knew that you, like so many others would claim one of the Scandinavian countries is socialist, when, they are not. They are in fact, very capitalist's, they just use a lot of their taxes for social programs. That does not make them a socialist country. Hell, one of their ex-prime ministers straight out claimed that socialism only destroys. Scandinavian countries being socialist is a myth.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-sc ... socialism/

So, wanna name an actual country that is ACTUALLY socialist that does well? Because Sweden, is not one of them.
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby The Lamb » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:44 am

She is right blue, they are not socialist countries, they are capitalist countries that have heavy tax rates to fund these social programs that have been having troubles for many years now. They have rolled back some of their bad programs already.

Mel,

We are two for two.... its like we have heard these statements for decades or something :) Sad thing is some younger people actually think they are new arguments.

Everyone... if it was really that good of a system... why wouldn't everyone be using it :D I mean, there are even people who believe magnets heal people even though we all live on a giant magnet (earth) lol
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Re: Biden 2020

Postby Lachlan » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:47 am

Isn't there not really any socialist or communist countries anymore?
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