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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Raz Al Ghul » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:23 pm

DoomIris wrote:Im sorry, I have to agree with Spastic. Hes been here WAAAAAY longer than you Raz, so lets just say that he knows more than you know (probably even me too).



Things change as new members and old members come and go, so to say just because Spastic has been here a long time he knows better, to say that nothing changes is absurd when so many new members are joining up and adding their input into the discussions, so if anything I would know better than both of you I have direct access to see what goes on first hand, the thoughts behind many decisions that we as a group decided.
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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Rolando » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:36 pm

Everyone is free to their opinion, just remember that's exactly what it is. Brain washing is not required Spastic if your honest with new members and your actions back your claims. Have you protected a trader guild from Majesty? oh wait, no you likely only raided them with Maj, you help them as some do when it serves your purposes. I would hope you do not use the same tired and mindless methods of Maj, this is not personal until others make it so. If you don't like how we do our business and have such disgust for us, then join ZomB and show us the error of our ways. Otherwise this is just seeming talk, and I tire of talk. However I would imagine you will as before run your mouth and hide behind the NAP.

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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Big Brother » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:04 pm

Raz Al Ghul wrote:Things change as new members and old members come and go, so to say just because Spastic has been here a long time he knows better, to say that nothing changes is absurd when so many new members are joining up and adding their input into the discussions, so if anything I would know better than both of you I have direct access to see what goes on first hand, the thoughts behind many decisions that we as a group decided.


See what we mean world? The guild PK has gotten their new players/copies to brainwash themselves into believing that they are better than say... Captain Dungeness, or Spastic. I was trying to point out that the knowledge of said players (Spastic) is FAR greater than almost ALL of the new players (Raz), and by that point of information, not only is Raz brainwashed(based on his comment) but that our elders KNOWS BETTER (more) about the game than either of us, therefore his opinion should be respected and revered. The saying goes, "Respect your elders!" and this saying has been disregarded by the majority of the power in PK and transmuted upon their new players.
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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Rolando » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:14 pm

People might believe you Doomy if your every other statement was not proven deception. Also you don't respect your elders because they are older, but because they are wise and offer advice not constant criticism after they have enjoyed your help. Respect those who give respect, I personally respect many other guild members and leaders, ZomB and those who criticize to inspire strife I do not. The reason we do not brainwash or lie to our members is because we can actually deliver what we promise, and ZomB can promise and talk, and talk, and talk. :D
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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Roileon » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:13 pm

Rolando wrote:4. PK uses big, expensive ships to beat smaller ships, while ZomB uses smaller, cheaper ships to take out larger fleets and ships.

Yes ships we took our ships, or does you master think he did everything all the time? :D



1.Pirates in real life didn't run around with ships of the line for their plunder, they used smaller less expensive ships for their plunder as it was more favorable.
2.The legendary pirate's of this game didn't either. The tactic of using small cheap ships to attack unarmed traders and yet not take any signification damage back meant that you kept more of the gold and fame you took. It also meant that call leviathan's were less effective against you. ie. Skyhawk used Brigs to beat up on the strongest war fleets in the game because pirates didn't target war fleets but merchants and scatter away before the big guns came. Same concept.
So is your #4 a bad thing, no, it's actually a compliment of ZomB for using the most effective strategy their is.

When we look at which is the better guild we have to look at their purposes.
The New PK is built around ship to ship combat and broadside war.
ZomB is built for hit and run profit, minimum confrontation, maximum profit.

One is a guild of pirates, the other, one of militants.
Looking at this, you have guerrilla war (ZomB) versus conventional (PK).
The tactics used are different, and the manner a war is conducted is different, both equally incredible, but in looking at whose better, you can't say an apple is the same as an orange. Similar, but not congruent. Most of what Rolando said holds true, but all are compliments instead of the intended sarcasm. But again, just because the manner of conducting a war and the tactics are different, does not mean one is better than the other. I say they are equal.

In my own opinion of the winner of the war, historically the guerrilla forces win, but only because the conventional side that focuses on quality runs out of resources they are willing to use, or stop caring. The PK fighting style is not sustainable, the ZomB fighting style is. We will see what happens. This game has a thing for being unpredictable.


P.S. PK can fight a good forum war, but why are these forum battles happening? What do you hope to accomplish here? People stop reading them at a certain point, your not winning people to your side or propagating against ZomB at all.

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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Rolando » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:34 am

New times new tactics. The Pirates of old also were beaten out of existence by larger gunned ships. We did not start this post, We replied. Perhaps if others did not verbally attack us, we would not need to reply. If you want to trash us with unfounded claims in peace, open a chat room.
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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Roileon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:44 am

Well,
1.I'm not trashing you
2.Even in forums you didn't start, you did make it in to something bigger, seen in many forums of the subject
3.If me telling, what I think at least, the truth based on world history and game history as an insult, then something is wrong
While yes, I'm defending the small ship tactic, I'm not attacking conventional war either.
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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Rolando » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:50 am

I'm not talking to you Roi, your entitled like all of us to an opinion, I was directing that at those who claim we brainwash and lie to our members. While I disagree with your opinion, unlike others this does not lead me to attack you here or elsewhere. My question is if ZomB's tactic is sustainable, what exactly has it done for them? I suppose slamming your head into a brick wall is "sustainable" until you pass out anyway.
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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Roileon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:54 am

If you throw a brick at something enough, it begins to crack, and break. This is assuming PK is on the offensive and that ZomB's offensives are not for the purpose of creating any sort of crack.
I won't let this question slide though, why are these forum battles happening? What do you hope to accomplish here? People stop reading them at a certain point, your not winning people to your side or propagating against ZomB at all. This can go for both sides.
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Re: PK Guild VS The Rest of The World

Postby Rolando » Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:03 am

As I said our intent is not to fight, this has always been about Majesty's inability to move on, he named himself the Pirate King for godsake, talk about not letting go. We are not just going to let him and his allies lie time and again without response. If they are looking for quiet enemies look elsewhere.
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