Trump 2020!

[Dmanwuzhere]

at the end of the day we started on trump
but when actual policies are needed for the hate it swells into hate for the usa in general
if you cant discuss policies and find fault with them you are just celebrating mindless hysteria

if you complain trump is crude and ill mannered at times i can get that
but we do enjoy our free speech and hes entitled to it as well

but if you are going to veer from trump to the usa at least research what you are saying

general statements based on your feelings arent going to cut it
i disagree with most wars but i realize i dont have to agree with them for them to happen

i mind my own business at home but i have confronted a thief who victimized my mexican neighbors
and let some pill selling neighbors know that just because they sell pills all night doesnt mean that
during the day when my special needs neighbor is singing loudly out of tune from his own property
and they are sleeping that they can threaten to do him violence unless they first make me the receiver of said violence

neither case is my business but the mexicans and the special needs guy dont deserve to be treated like victims so i stepped in
and despite being told to mind my own business i felt strongly enough about the situations to interject

so i guess what im saying is whether or not the usa gets involved in something you think they shouldnt
its them interjecting and if they are trying to better or defend someone else i dont fault them and can still appreciate
that i dont have to agree with it
it is what it is and historically we have done far more good than evil
and for any that take a swing at the usa i fully condone stomping a mudhole in their azz


also caladan that scripture was relating a manifest reference of a covenant made in the old testament and if you research the tearing of the temple curtain you will also understand the difference of laws as they pertain to the old and new testament but im not really into a biblical debate or lessons as they are better done in person and tend to cover far more territory than i wish to cover in these forums.
that being said understand i do not profess any religion as mine although i have had quite a bit of schooling on several and find my strongest knowledge base in christianity

[The Lamb]

Clap....... Clap........ Clap... Clap .. Clap.. Clap, clap clap... Yes Dman, that slow clap was for you. Very well said.

I get it, there are peoples who may not like what the USA does as they sit in the peace that our meddling has brought, and thats ok, and before people speak of how peaceful they are, just remember that not too long ago, the USA meddled and thanks to that, Europe isnt just Germany or Russia, so who is to say our meddling couldnt do great things again.

The problem as i see it, is we have a new society norm that states no one is evil, they just need more hugs and trophies, but sadly there are some people that are just evil. So you are left with two kids of solutions, the ones who will sit there as discuss ways to make everyone inclusively safe, and those who will confront the evil, take them out and say "safe there, who's next". There are some nations who act and others who watch, and thats fine, we need both kinds, but it may be a little near sighted to denounce the US from your chairs.

What do you say we get back to what a loud, egotistical, amazingly wonderful president he is

[Whitcomb The Feared]

And Caladan is right. Israel is a state created in 1948 from english and french colonies in the middle east ! of course if you put jew colons in a territory with muslim palestinese, a war will start. But of course, when USA declare a new country, everyone have to follow or they are terrorists. Palestina is just "defending" their own territories, but Hezbollah is defined as terroristic group by USA. Stop intervening and maybe things will be better.

wrong! The United Nations approved a plan to partition Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it. In May 1948, Israel was officially declared an independent state with David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, as the prime minister.

how can you auto-proclame your own state in a territory already taken by palestinese and not imagining they will revolt lol. and in 1950s the "poor jews" who suffered from Shoah, they just started a war against all the arab-nations around lol. protected by who ? .... USA

And meliva, Israeli started wars ... not at all defensive. Israeli took territories by force, you would react EXACTLY as palestinese if they took you New York because it is an holy city. but palestinese are terrorist because they defend their own country lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_w ... ing_Israel
wiki is not a source, just to list all the wars they have been involved into since 1948. 1948 ! not 300 or 500 years ago lol.





@Dman
but ... having some facts please
first i never said to copy switzerland in every single domain. i said that in some domains we have a good system, like in integration of migrants if we still have 25% of foreigners and still are the richest country per capita. but anyway.
women right to vote ? 1972, late yes but not a crime against humanity. And we vote 6 times a year, so maybe better democracy and more democratical involvement that voting every 2 years for senate/congress and presidency ?
it is not legal suicide technically, some associations like EXIT allow some people in extreme situations to ask to end their lives. Usually they ask just to turn off their machines that keep the patient alive, sometimes they can ask to a specific allowed doctor to inject them a poison that kills them. Swiss citizens asked that legal assisted suicide system, and when we reached the number of signatures others citizens wrote a law that people voted and accepted and the parliament ratified it. Are you saying that the popular vote in switzerland is wrong ? we make the laws we want.
Yes, we provide weapons cause we also furnish our own army. human rights problem ?
No, bribes are not legal ... i don't know where you read it.
2013 compensation was for Shoah prisoners in nazi camps. Banks gave back money to jews and apologized they took german money. never heard about enslaved people in switzerland and i don't know where you heard it.
yeah we eat horse meat, what is the problem ? an animal like another lol. And guinea pig, just some people asked to put min 2 parrots and 2 guinea pigs cause studies demonstrated that they feel lonely.

Lol we don't waste money in writing laws. PEOPLE write laws and executive accepts or rejects. it is all popular vote, nothing comes from high power.

[Dmanwuzhere]

popular voting makes the laws in switzerland?

that is not how bribery became legal, that was pure laziness and lack of fortitude to deal with the problem because it was so rampant.
i will retract this complaint due to legislation starting in 2016 and having a stronger version up for discussion jan 1 2019 but before 2016 it was legal glad to see some forward progress

the not all domains defense doesnt really work as its still all switzerland
maybe i should try the not all states defense and see if that slows you down

choosing to end your own life by whatever means is still suicide by every definition of the word

the farmers union agreed that the children stolen and their families should receive compensation but that the farmers who used them shouldnt have to pay anything to them lol please get real you can find and ask david gogniat if he was in a nazi camp or the many others taken at the age of 2 and up

i dont mind your choice of meats i just pointed out how silly the laws are kill horses but dont have a guinea pig without buying two or they will be lonely was that enacted by popular vote you reckon lol

i dont mind you making weapons to sell thats capitalism but switzerland by claim is a neutral party and yet here you are being the exact opposite do the other citizens offer you neutrality counseling lol


and i see no defense of the extreme womens suffrage let me guess they arent worth a defense they just better have your dinner cooked lol

by the way whit the 11 million illegal immigrants which you seem to think is our total population of immigrants is a figure from 2016 and while it encompasses our issue with those here by breaking the law it in no way covers our actual immigration numbers just those breaking the law
it doesnt cover the 20.7 million naturalized citizens or the 13.1 million legal non citizens or the 1.7 million with temporary visas again the numbers are higher now but it gives you a better baseline.

what better way to show you would make a good citizen than to begin by your act of being there be a crime
ask any legal migrant what they think of those breaking the law and entering illegally i think you will be surprised at what you find the majority of the time they are asked

[Meliva]

how can you auto-proclame your own state in a territory already taken by palestinese and not imagining they will revolt lol. and in 1950s the "poor jews" who suffered from Shoah, they just started a war against all the arab-nations around lol. protected by who ? .... USA

And meliva, Israeli started wars ... not at all defensive. Israeli took territories by force, you would react EXACTLY as palestinese if they took you New York because it is an holy city. but palestinese are terrorist because they defend their own country lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_w ... ing_Israel
wiki is not a source, just to list all the wars they have been involved into since 1948. 1948 ! not 300 or 500 years ago lol.

Oh yeah, that land belonged to the palestines since day one and it's always been their land. Oh, no wait silly me, The jews used to live there before them a few thousand years ago. Granted someone else had it before even them, though I can't recall them at the moment-Might have been the Cananites. Maybe the Babylonians.

But even then, the british held land there, and TRIED to get the jews and arabs to share the land in peace. The jews were fine with that. It was the arabs who wanted it for only themselves.

And so, because they wanted to be greedy and have the land all to themselves, they tried to kill the jews and chase them off. And when they failed they simply waited a bit, then attacked again. Then again. Then again.

You do understand what a defensive war is right? As in, "they are trying to kill me, if I don't fight back, I'm going to die". Do you expect them to just let themselves be killed? Or to just pack up their bags, and leave their ancestral home? If many of the arabs would just learn to live and let live, and acknowledge that Israel has a right to exist, and try to make peace, and live in harmony, then things would be peaceful over there. But they've made it clear. They will never allow peace so long as the jews live there.

[Mack]

And Caladan is right. Israel is a state created in 1948 from english and french colonies in the middle east ! of course if you put jew colons in a territory with muslim palestinese, a war will start. But of course, when USA declare a new country, everyone have to follow or they are terrorists. Palestina is just "defending" their own territories, but Hezbollah is defined as terroristic group by USA. Stop intervening and maybe things will be better.

wrong! The United Nations approved a plan to partition Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it. In May 1948, Israel was officially declared an independent state with David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, as the prime minister.

how can you auto-proclame your own state in a territory already taken by palestinese and not imagining they will revolt lol. and in 1950s the "poor jews" who suffered from Shoah, they just started a war against all the arab-nations around lol. protected by who ? .... USA

And meliva, Israeli started wars ... not at all defensive. Israeli took territories by force, you would react EXACTLY as palestinese if they took you New York because it is an holy city. but palestinese are terrorist because they defend their own country lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_w ... ing_Israel
wiki is not a source, just to list all the wars they have been involved into since 1948. 1948 ! not 300 or 500 years ago lol.





@Dman
but ... having some facts please
first i never said to copy switzerland in every single domain. i said that in some domains we have a good system, like in integration of migrants if we still have 25% of foreigners and still are the richest country per capita. but anyway.
women right to vote ? 1972, late yes but not a crime against humanity. And we vote 6 times a year, so maybe better democracy and more democratical involvement that voting every 2 years for senate/congress and presidency ?
it is not legal suicide technically, some associations like EXIT allow some people in extreme situations to ask to end their lives. Usually they ask just to turn off their machines that keep the patient alive, sometimes they can ask to a specific allowed doctor to inject them a poison that kills them. Swiss citizens asked that legal assisted suicide system, and when we reached the number of signatures others citizens wrote a law that people voted and accepted and the parliament ratified it. Are you saying that the popular vote in switzerland is wrong ? we make the laws we want.
Yes, we provide weapons cause we also furnish our own army. human rights problem ?
No, bribes are not legal ... i don't know where you read it.
2013 compensation was for Shoah prisoners in nazi camps. Banks gave back money to jews and apologized they took german money. never heard about enslaved people in switzerland and i don't know where you heard it.
yeah we eat horse meat, what is the problem ? an animal like another lol. And guinea pig, just some people asked to put min 2 parrots and 2 guinea pigs cause studies demonstrated that they feel lonely.

Lol we don't waste money in writing laws. PEOPLE write laws and executive accepts or rejects. it is all popular vote, nothing comes from high power.

So since youre obviously just trying to talk crap I did the research for you...


On May 14, 1948, in Tel Aviv, Jewish Agency Chairman David Ben-Gurion proclaims the State of Israel, establishing the first Jewish state in 2,000 years. Ben-Gurion became Israel’s first premier.

In the distance, the rumble of guns could be heard from fighting that broke out between Jews and Arabs immediately following the British army withdrawal earlier that day. Egypt launched an air assault against Israel that evening. Despite a blackout in Tel Aviv—and the expected Arab invasion—Jews joyously celebrated the birth of their new nation, especially after word was received that the United States had recognized the Jewish state. At midnight, the State of Israel officially came into being upon termination of the British mandate in Palestine.In the distance, the rumble of guns could be heard from fighting that broke out between Jews and Arabs immediately following the British army withdrawal earlier that day. Egypt launched an air assault against Israel that evening. Despite a blackout in Tel Aviv—and the expected Arab invasion—Jews joyously celebrated the birth of their new nation, especially after word was received that the United States had recognized the Jewish state. At midnight, the State of Israel officially came into being upon termination of the British mandate in Palestine.
Modern Israel has its origins in the Zionism movement, established in the late 19th century by Jews in the Russian Empire who called for the establishment of a territorial Jewish state after enduring persecution. In 1896, Jewish-Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl published an influential political pamphlet called The Jewish State, which argued that the establishment of a Jewish state was the only way of protecting Jews from anti-Semitism. Herzl became the leader of Zionism, convening the first Zionist Congress in Switzerland in 1897. Ottoman-controlled Palestine, the original home of the Jews, was chosen as the most desirable location for a Jewish state, and Herzl unsuccessfully petitioned the Ottoman government for a charter.

After the failed Russian Revolution of 1905, growing numbers of Eastern European and Russian Jews began to immigrate to Palestine, joining the few thousand Jews who had arrived earlier. The Jewish settlers insisted on the use of Hebrew as their spoken language. With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire during World War I, Britain took over Palestine. In 1917, Britain issued the “Balfour Declaration,” which declared its intent to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Although protested by the Arab states, the Balfour Declaration was included in the British mandate over Palestine, which was authorized by the League of Nations in 1922. Because of Arab opposition to the establishment of any Jewish state in Palestine, British rule continued throughout the 1920s and ’30s.

Beginning in 1929, Arabs and Jews openly fought in Palestine, and Britain attempted to limit Jewish immigration as a means of appeasing the Arabs. As a result of the Holocaust in Europe, many Jews illegally entered Palestine during World War II. Radical Jewish groups employed terrorism against British forces in Palestine, which they thought had betrayed the Zionist cause. At the end of World War II, in 1945, the United States took up the Zionist cause. Britain, unable to find a practical solution, referred the problem to the United Nations, which in November 1947 voted to partition Palestine.

The Jews were to possess more than half of Palestine, although they made up less than half of Palestine’s population. The Palestinian Arabs, aided by volunteers from other countries, fought the Zionist forces, but by May 14, 1948, the Jews had secured full control of their U.N.-allocated share of Palestine and also some Arab territory. On May 14, Britain withdrew with the expiration of its mandate, and the State of Israel was proclaimed. The next day, forces from Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq invaded

The Israelis, though less well equipped, managed to fight off the Arabs and then seize key territory, such as Galilee, the Palestinian coast, and a strip of territory connecting the coastal region to the western section of Jerusalem. In 1949, U.N.-brokered cease-fires left the State of Israel in permanent control of this conquered territory. The departure of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs from Israel during the war left the country with a substantial Jewish majority.

During the third Arab-Israeli conflict—the Six-Day War of 1967—Israel again greatly increased its borders, capturing from Jordan, Egypt, and Syria the Old City of Jerusalem, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. In 1979, Israel and Egypt signed an historic peace agreement in which Israel returned the Sinai in exchange for Egyptian recognition and peace. Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) signed a major peace accord in 1993, which envisioned the gradual implementation of Palestinian self-government in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Israeli-Palestinian peace process moved slowly, however, and in 2000 major fighting between Israelis and Palestinians resumed in Israel and the occupied territories.

The history of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel is about the history and religion of the Jewish people who originated in the Land of Israel, and have maintained physical, cultural, and religious ties to it ever since. Although they had first emerged centuries earlier as an outgrowth of southern Canaanites,[1][2][3][4] and the Hebrew Bible claims that a United Israelite monarchy existed starting in the 10th century BCE, the first appearance of the name "Israel" in the non-Biblical historic record is the Egyptian Merneptah Stele, circa 1200 BCE. During the biblical period, two kingdoms occupied the highland zone, the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) in the north, and the Kingdom of Judah in the south. The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Neo-Assyrian Empire (circa 722 BCE), and the Kingdom of Judah by the Neo-Babylonian Empire (586 BCE). Upon the defeat of the Neo-Babylonian Empire by the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great (538 BCE), the Jewish elite returned to Jerusalem, and the Second Temple was built.

In 332 BCE the Macedonian Greeks under Alexander the Great conquered the Achaemenid Empire, which included Yehud (Judea) starting a long religious struggle that split the Jewish population into traditional and Hellenized components.

In 165 BCE, after the religion-driven Maccabean Revolt, the independent Hasmonean Kingdom was established. In 64 BCE the Romans conquered Judea, turning it into a Roman province. Although coming under the sway of various empires and home to a variety of ethnicities, the area of ancient Israel was predominantly Jewish until the Jewish–Roman wars of 66–136 CE, during which the Romans expelled most of the Jews from the area and replaced it with the Roman province of Syria Palaestina, beginning the Jewish diaspora. After this time, Jews became a minority in most regions, except Galilee, and the area became increasingly Christian after the 3rd century, although the percentages of Christians and Jews are unknown, the former perhaps coming to predominate in urban areas, the latter remaining in rural areas.[5] Jewish settlements declined from over 160 to 50 by the time of the Muslim conquest. Michael Avi-Yonah calculated that Jews constituted 10–15% of Palestine's population by the time of the Sasanian conquest of Jerusalem in 614,[6] while Moshe Gil claims that Jews constituted the majority of the population until the 7th century Muslim conquest (638 CE).[7]

In 1099 the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and nearby coastal areas, losing and recapturing it for almost 200 years until their final ouster from Acre in 1291. In 1517 the Ottoman Empire conquered it, ruling it until the British conquered it in 1917, and ruled it under the British Mandate for Palestine until 1948, when the Jewish State of Israel was proclaimed, which was made possible by the Zionist movement and its promotion of mass Jewish immigration.

The Jews are no stranger to war and they are not afraid of it everywhere they go everyone wants to kill them

so what wars did they start


oh yeah by the way Trump is awesome I don't think we could have picked a better president Keep On Truckin President Trump you the man you are indeed the chosen one we chose you we knew you could do the job we knew you were not scared and could not be bought

Did you guys hear they put an 80 million dollar bounty on his head lol that's definitely one way to wipe out the Iranian leadership Place bounties on our president

[Padrevaters]

What udder crap. And to justify religious extremism with their own musings against other's fallacies to cover one's own deficiencies is bull***.

The most successful nation is the USA just because it is truly the land of the free. True, there are deficiencies and holes to be plugged here and there. But isn't that a case everywhere? What I can't stand for is religious bigotry, polygamy in the name of religion, religious intolerance in the name of Jihad and 21 virgins or breaking down religious structures of other religions just to prove religious supremacy. Imagine, breaking down the Buddhist statues of Bamyan(Afghanistan), or the destruction of the temple which signifies the very core foundation of Hinduism at Ayodhya and then building mosque over it. These are historical facts. Seriously, we ought to demolish the Mosque at Mecca and build another religious structure over it to see if the Muslims keep quiet. Why the consistent harassment of Israel to keep that festering wound open? Why is it that only the Middle East has issues against Christianity, Hinduism or Jews?

Every nation has a right to defend itself from enemies of the state, if the enemy is a general in another nation, so be it. Taking preemptive actions to prevent loss of life is the best move. I doubt any nation with Satellite intel will wait for the other to strike first. Preempting it is the best way of weakening the resolve of terrorists. If you can justify killing Bin Laden post 9/11, why can't this be justified to prevent another?

Point is if you cant defend your religion by any measure, don't look for holes in others religions.

[Whitcomb The Feared]

yeah there are 2 popular interventions
initiatives: you can create your own law, find 100k signatures and the government put the new law at popular vote (100k signatures on total 4mio people who can vote here).
Referendum: you can erase a law (even erasing a law in constitution, but then you also need special majority in both parliaments + majority in population) if you reach first 100k signatures.

briber has never been legal in switzerland. First you are not bringing any source to your claims, and second ... in 2016 we passed a law on private bribery, it became a federal offense and not only regarding the state. but it was already an offense.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classified- ... /311.0.pdf
our criminal code, p. 141 art. 322. At least add in 1999, but for sure it existed even before.
where do you see a rampant corruption problem ? come on, FACTS. where are your numbers ? i never said we are perfect, but not that we are corrupted ... i don't see facts.

didn't understand that
the not all domains defense doesnt really work as its still all switzerland
maybe i should try the not all states defense and see if that slows you down

Lol since i talk to you i see that you modify your stories. The story about children taken by the state is controversial. The state took children abandoned by families or in bad family conditions or unlegitimate to put them in orphanages or to put them in farmer families. Of course at the time, laws on children weren't the same as today, so they have been treated badly cause of the low economical conditions of the farmer families (so of course they had nothing much to eat) and also from the ignorance. Why the state pays for a crime made by farmers ? well because the state feels guilty for something happened under other laws and under another government and apologized. And secondly because farmer families died in the meanwhile, who do you want to put on trial, dead people ?

legal suicide yes, it exists also in other countries. What is your problem if we have it ? it is legal, period.

the ask for a protection on guinea pig (it exists also for parrots) it is because some studies stated that the have feelings. it is just a law, they wrote in in 5min ahah what is the problem with that ? in USA there are laws allowing to kill someone if he is in your private property, in switzerland we regulate guinea pig lives cause luckily we don't have the risk to be shot in a private property, matter of national problems eh and no, guinea pig law was not made by popular vote but by a executive decision. Here they don't discuss on launching missiles, they discuss on guinea pigs cause we don't have many other problems. by the way you should also get some information, horse here is seen differently than in america cause it has always been considered as a farming animal and not a companion on battlefields or to travel, so we see the horse as a meat animal overall. cultural differences.


Switzerland is neutral, but again you ignore the definition of being neutral. It has been defined that our neutrality is on the political ground, we don't attack other countries and our army cannot go outside borders. And our army will only defend our territory. This is our neutrality. then we trade with everyone, and if countries buy weapons ... cool. During WW2 we sold weapons to both sides, and we took monesy from both sides. This is neutrality, we didn't advantage a side more than another do the same if you want.

again ignorance of the status of women in switzerland. You know nothing john snow the problem was that here we don't have a strong executive. So we don't have a president who can make new laws alone, so we need popular vote. The problem was that men at the beginning of the century didn't want to allow women to vote. But this idea has been voted several times but always refused cause women couldn't vote on this vote so of course they didn't get the right to vote. it doesn't mean we treat women badly or we consider them inferior.


@MAck
Sorry but it seems you are writing crap ahha what is the meaning of all this message ? i think you understood nothing about history lol. If the name of the territory is palestine, it means that the citizens are palestinian no ? you in USA cannot understand what nations here have lived through history, cause in USA there were natives and then Europeans, 2 dominations more or less. In europe, lands changed rulers for centuries, so here the concept of belonging doesn't exist. Meaning that you can't say that the territory is yours because 3000 years ago there were your troops. legally it has no value, the troops sent in middle age were europeans, so now europe has a claim on Israel ? Jews had many nationalities but they are linked by same religion. They came from many nations and went to Israel. While palestinese were arabs living in Palestina. It is their territory and it has been divided by foreginers and given to jews partly. So yes, this is quite intrusive and quite illegal to divide territories like that.


@Meliva
If jews didn't take officially Israel, they wouldn't have been in a permanent state of war no ? but no, they had to create their own country inside palestine and now they cry for war. and it is controversial about who started the war between arabs and jews, but again, if jews hadn't invaded palestine, they wouldn't have had war. They could have found another way to take jerusalem, but colonizing it was a bad move. Then claiming defensive wars it is completely wrong and useless.

@padrevaters
i think that nobody discussing here is muslim, we just state that the bible and the coran are very similar, so if islam is bad, then christianism is too. they are too similar. And christianity has always been a religion of wars and oppression. Just check burning whitches or the cruisades. religions are bad in general.
A preventive attack will save lives ? to me it is the opposite. killing one general will just bring new wars and dead people. What do you think they risk to do in iran ? if they won't attack you, they will pay terrorists to do it. and then what ... how USA will justify that ? 1 iranian general for XY americans dead, for what ? for nothing. violence brings violence. If you are catholic or christian in general, it isn't what the religion teaches ?
Bin Laden has been trained, armed and used by USA against soviet union. And then you cry when he used money, weapons and training to make 9/11 ... USA trained this guy ! it is a fact. then assume your responsibilities. Now killing a general will bring repercussions. MAybe not today nor tomorrow, but today will be remembered by iranians and maybe one day a crazy one will make something horrible... violence brings violence.

Middle East is a problem cause there started the major religions. Christianism, Islam and Hebraism. so of course everyone wants to be the best and right. if now USA want also to be the best and the rightest at the political level, to show to be better and more performant, this will bring new problems. live your life in USA and stop intervening in other places. You have the power, money and the technology to defend yourself without intervining everywhere. even the influence.

[Dmanwuzhere]

well to me whit neutrality is in some ways cowardly and in other instances can make you an accessory after the fact to what you shelter

for example a man admits he raped a 13 year old actually pleads guilty to using alcohol and drugs to do it and can be sheltered by your country as in the polanski case this to me makes you an accessory after the fact

or in the case of let say some nazis bent on taking control of the world and you become their bankers in hopes they keep their word to not invade you and profit luckily they didnt win because you were set to be invaded by them but bankrolling nazis is despicable but adding to that you also accept tons of money from the victims of those nazis before they are captured and/or killed and capitalize on their deaths by not allowing families of the dead to withdraw their monies

that isnt neutral that is creating a business bond with someone out of fear and profit and then ripping off families of people who died horribly

so for me you can pick one but i say neutrality is 2 things cowardice or accessory after the fact it is what it is

suicide is legal there ok i get that

but most of your arguments have involved a moral judgment in place of legal arguments i wanted to see if moral arguments only extended to the usa or if you would include moral objectivity to your own laws the answer to that is obvious

so if you cant find a legal issue by our current laws please offer no input because legal is the ultimate justification according to you or at least in defense of your country


i dont care about your choice of meat i merely used it to point out an inconsistency of belief when it comes to animals happiness
the fact a law was passed for some guinea pigs birds and a cat that doesnt have neighboring cats to visit is hilarious


you are correct when you say there isnt many other problems there most of them are in fact created by neighbors phoning the police for noise or other things that upset them
what would happen if i started a loud motorcycle at say 5 am how many neighbors would call the cops expecting me to be fined for their comfort
lol fook that

yes the state took the kids and did so unlawfully and a lot of cases like davids the parents paid for their upkeep to the state and the farms they were placed on got free labor
pal if that isnt bribery and corruption i dont know what is
maybe you need to research the cases of those kids there is plenty of evidence to this day as to why they were taken and it wasnt for the reasons you stated it was for money and profit
the sickest part of the scam was you labeled aborigines half-caste mixed breeds etc and enacted this practice to try and make them extinct in essence breed them out and you keep mentioning slavery which here has been gone a long time but this was still occurring in the 70s for yall

so keep your mock shock at slavery confined in a place where you want to bury your own history of it

lol comparing guinea pig laws to self defense laws is hilarious but i understand your plight coming from a country that pleads neutrality in place of a backbone
i wont ask you to understand self defense or property laws because apparently you own nothing of value and are soon to remove the doors and locks from your home and allow others the rights to your property ..... right? lol

so as long as women were the minority it was cool to treat them how you want yet you can make executive decisions for guinea pigs yeah we are pretty much done here theres no point explaining the territory vs state argument this just ended quickly

[Meliva]

@MAck
Sorry but it seems you are writing crap ahha what is the meaning of all this message ? i think you understood nothing about history lol. If the name of the territory is palestine, it means that the citizens are palestinian no ? you in USA cannot understand what nations here have lived through history, cause in USA there were natives and then Europeans, 2 dominations more or less. In europe, lands changed rulers for centuries, so here the concept of belonging doesn't exist. Meaning that you can't say that the territory is yours because 3000 years ago there were your troops. legally it has no value, the troops sent in middle age were europeans, so now europe has a claim on Israel ? Jews had many nationalities but they are linked by same religion. They came from many nations and went to Israel. While palestinese were arabs living in Palestina. It is their territory and it has been divided by foreginers and given to jews partly. So yes, this is quite intrusive and quite illegal to divide territories like that.


@Meliva
If jews didn't take officially Israel, they wouldn't have been in a permanent state of war no ? but no, they had to create their own country inside palestine and now they cry for war. and it is controversial about who started the war between arabs and jews, but again, if jews hadn't invaded palestine, they wouldn't have had war. They could have found another way to take jerusalem, but colonizing it was a bad move. Then claiming defensive wars it is completely wrong and useless.

Okay, at this point you're either just trolling us, or you are seriously bloody deluded. Mack LITERALLY just wrote a long explanation detailing the damn history. If anyone doesn't understand the history here, it's clearly you mate. And no, just because the damn name was Palestine doesn't mean every citizen was a Palestinian. Do you think the Jews just magically appeared the moment Israel was founded out of thin bloody air? No, of course not. The jews have had a very long history of living, fighting, and being kicked out of that land. But frankly at this point, I'm done talking to you about it. I don't know if you just incredibly deluded, incredibly stubborn to admit you're wrong, or just trolling, but it's clear to me that I'd have an easier time pulling hens teeth then getting through to you.

Regardless, feel free to continue this discussion all of you. Just remember, keep things civil, and follow the forum rules.