Trump 2020!

[The Lamb]

Hey Mel/Whit, what I meant was the dem party was introduced in the 1820's from pieces of the original Republican-democrat, and at that point were only called the Democrats. It wasn't till 1854 the republican party was created. So its not that the party "split", its that a new party was formed. 30-40 years is a really long split. lol

Just wanted to clarify

To Dman's point... Its very easy for other countries to call us names when we give them so much money every year and assure their defense

[Mack]

one thing i find amazing is how history changes day to day... wikiapidia says a compleatly different story today than it did 2 days ago smh..

ive read about this more than once and never did they mention free soilers till today.. it said it was people from the whigs and democratic repulic that split off and formed the repulicans. but now its totaly different wish i had screen shoted it i will from now on save all research i conduct.

and its amazing if you look at the bottom of the page it says last edited two days ago hmmm! i wonder

[Whitcomb The Feared]

we assure our own defense lol who gives us money ? come on Draque, where are facts ? Switzerland is not even in the NATO, why should we receive money from you ? Your officials even came to Europe to say to increase military expenditures that USA wanted to use against Russia, and Europe refused. We don't care about your wars, you make wars of conquest and you have to fight them alone. Go on afghanistan, irak, ... and now maybe in iran. nobody cares. You gain nothing, but if you want to waste human lives, it is your problem, but don't come to europe to dictate where to point missiles, because we are also free states.

Again, about the Republicna-Democratic party, i think you confuse the party ideology and its members' ideology. you can be democrat and pro-slavery, overlal if before you were all part of the same party ! it doesn't mean that democrats were all pro-slavery. Overall now the roles are inversed, democrats are much more on the left and republicans are much more on the right in every political aspect. i just stated not to confuse people and party ideology. the vice president of lincoln was a democrat (then republican) but abolitionist (Hammlin).

[Mack]

i remeber most of what i read

we assure our own defense lol who gives us money ? come on Draque, where are facts ? Switzerland is not even in the NATO, why should we receive money from you ? Your officials even came to Europe to say to increase military expenditures that USA wanted to use against Russia, and Europe refused. We don't care about your wars, you make wars of conquest and you have to fight them alone. Go on afghanistan, irak, ... and now maybe in iran. nobody cares. You gain nothing, but if you want to waste human lives, it is your problem, but don't come to europe to dictate where to point missiles, because we are also free states.

What? So Switzerland is a neutral country we all know this what's that got to do with the billions of dollars we do give out to other nations in order to protect them?



Oh yeah by the way well done President Trump actually doing what needs done we took out a terrible nasty man that's been needing taken out since the 70s well done mr. Trump I'm glad we have a president with a desire to win rather than one that wants to trade punches like it's a game

[Mack]

[quote="Whitcomb The Feared"]we assure our own defense lol who gives us money ? come on Draque, where are facts ? Switzerland is not even in the NATO, why should we receive money from you ? Your officials even came to Europe to say to increase military expenditures that USA wanted to use against Russia, and Europe refused. We don't care about your wars, you make wars of conquest and you have to fight them alone. Go on afghanistan, irak, ... and now maybe in iran. nobody cares. You gain nothing, but if you want to waste human lives, it is your problem, but don't come to europe to dictate where to point missiles, because we are also free states.

What? So Switzerland is a neutral country we all know this what's that got to do with the billions of dollars we do give out to other nations in order to protect them?



Oh yeah by the way well done President Trump actually doing what needs done we took out a terrible nasty man that's been needing taken out since the 70s well done mr. Trump I'm glad we have a president with a desire to win rather than one that wants to trade punches like it's a game

[Whitcomb The Feared]

it is what i meant, Europe takes the money that you give because it is free, nobody cares about USA. When USA "ordered" to declare half war to russia, nobody moved. and your state secretary in 2016 got angry cause nobody in europe moved. Why ? because nobody wants to be linked to USA wars anymore. But USA continue to give money around to make new wars but nobody cares.

The iranian general was one killing ISIS, the terrorist group ! why killing an iranian general if on the field he is with you ? this is a stupid move for Trump ! Iran is not the nicest country in the world (even if i met some iranians and they are no radical muslims nor they depict a so bad idea of iran ... by the way) but Iran is just supporting Syria cause they have the same muslim religion, and russians support syrians too (for economical purposes and a military base in the country). Just ... USA have to counter Russians everywhere lol. Cold war never ended eh ... and now USA kill a general who fought ISIS in syria, the same ISIS terrorist group (or a friend one) who hit New York in 2001. So again ... why killing a guy who - on the field - is killing your own enemy ? BAD MOVE TRUMP, BAD MOVE.

Even if USA and Iran are not friends, if Iran is killing ISIS (cause religious enemies) ... let Iran make the dirty job no ? ... nope, Trump had to intervene lol Americans never learnt from Vietnam nor Afghanistan ... never being involved in others' wars.

And @Mack
Winning what ? winning where ? USA killed osama bin laden, then Saddam Hussein, then with europeans you killed the lybian dictator (appointed by english and americans 40-50 years ago lol). Invaded Irak, Afghanistan, Kuwait, now even in Syria (allowing the "good" turkish dictator to invade and slaughter catholics rebels Kurds - who also were fighting islamic terrorism of ISIS). USA want to be the protector of the world, but in the last 20 years we really don't understand what USA is doing. The more USA do, the worse it goes. Invading Irak to protect the world ... 9/11. Invade Afghanistan, forgot that USA armed talibans in 1980s to help them defeating soviets. Now what ? even worsening problems with north korea and china ... well done trump, well done.

[Dmanwuzhere]

[quote="Whitcomb The Feared"]@Dmanzuwhere
Lol switzerland has 25% of its population as foreigners, so 2 million on 8 million total people. Don't cry for 11 million illegal foreigners on 300 mio US citizens
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/migration- ... d/42412156
Just integrate them ! And don't forget that America is a nation of migrants ! all you see around you has been built by migrants.

American trade has not been improved in the last 3 years
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Pr ... e/exh1.pdf

Unemployement rate is decreasing since 2010, so no thanks to Trump
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... yment-rate

Rate of inflation still quite high (normal) at 1.5 to 2.5%, problem: GDP increase at same rate. So real wealth is not increasing at all.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... lation-cpi ;https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp

The wall has not been built, he is almost starting a war by killing an iranian general who was killig ISIS (so USA defend ISIS now ? lol). And Trump is doing nothing for USA, just worsening trade situation with a trade war against China (china doesn't care lol, they have 1 billion customers on their territory). So what is Trump doing ?

And yeah he looks racist, meaning that he wants to prefer Americans to foreigners, forgetting that USA is a land of migrants (and many times illegal migrants). So again, what is he doing ?


so should we pardon american criminals and give them rewards for breaking the law or should that just be for immigrants?
i assume you have doors and locks on your home put your money where your mouth is and remove them and allow your property to be communal
funny its always so easy to armchair quarterback with your own comforts surrounding you

you can search long and hard and pass up as many opposing reports as you like to find the ones you want

and any general that is planning future attacks and has led past attacks against americans from the embassy should be dead
funny i guess you can kill and injure americans and they should forgive that too
he has been up for attack for a looong time way before trump but unlike others trump says fook you do what you do but you have been found guilty of murder and are now receiving your just rewards

i am glad you dont run a country if you did you wouldnt have it long if you were to live up to your expectations of the usa

and im glad im not in charge of the usa because foreign aid would not be a thing until all americans of every race had a much better economy than we have ever seen we have hungry homeless and plenty of our own problems but its always putting money in the hands of countries who do little for themselves or others
and the wall we wouldnt need it ....... it would block the snipers views
how many would try it daily if it cost them their lives as it does in some other countries

i would be really accepting of other nations laws and incorporate them as our policies for them and then the real crying would begin lol


your country requires minimum speech levels and SERI asks for proof of vocational and graduation requirements lol why the rules and like what 4500 permts a year coooome on lets get you up to 180k per month illegals with no venting like our illegals lead by example lol

[Mack]

it is what i meant, Europe takes the money that you give because it is free, nobody cares about USA. When USA "ordered" to declare half war to russia, nobody moved. and your state secretary in 2016 got angry cause nobody in europe moved. Why ? because nobody wants to be linked to USA wars anymore. But USA continue to give money around to make new wars but nobody cares.

The iranian general was one killing ISIS, the terrorist group ! why killing an iranian general if on the field he is with you ? this is a stupid move for Trump ! Iran is not the nicest country in the world (even if i met some iranians and they are no radical muslims nor they depict a so bad idea of iran ... by the way) but Iran is just supporting Syria cause they have the same muslim religion, and russians support syrians too (for economical purposes and a military base in the country). Just ... USA have to counter Russians everywhere lol. Cold war never ended eh ... and now USA kill a general who fought ISIS in syria, the same ISIS terrorist group (or a friend one) who hit New York in 2001. So again ... why killing a guy who - on the field - is killing your own enemy ? BAD MOVE TRUMP, BAD MOVE.

Even if USA and Iran are not friends, if Iran is killing ISIS (cause religious enemies) ... let Iran make the dirty job no ? ... nope, Trump had to intervene lol Americans never learnt from Vietnam nor Afghanistan ... never being involved in others' wars.

And @Mack
Winning what ? winning where ? USA killed osama bin laden, then Saddam Hussein, then with europeans you killed the lybian dictator (appointed by english and americans 40-50 years ago lol). Invaded Irak, Afghanistan, Kuwait, now even in Syria (allowing the "good" turkish dictator to invade and slaughter catholics rebels Kurds - who also were fighting islamic terrorism of ISIS). USA want to be the protector of the world, but in the last 20 years we really don't understand what USA is doing. The more USA do, the worse it goes. Invading Irak to protect the world ... 9/11. Invade Afghanistan, forgot that USA armed talibans in 1980s to help them defeating soviets. Now what ? even worsening problems with north korea and china ... well done trump, well done.

The Iranian General was helping us with ISIS supposedly but he also killed many Americans and many many many more of his own kind in several Nations do some research you might learn something... and on top of that he was attacking our Embassy we were not going to let Benghazi happen again never again will we let a deed like this go unpunished at least that's what I would hope for..
yes you speak of the US arming the Taliban you're right but who was president at the time?? Who was in the political offices do some research you might learn something..

[Meliva]

Whit there is a massive difference between letting goods and items trade between nations and letting people go to and from countries. I'm going to assume you probably have neighbors living next door to you. If they knocked on your door and politely asked if they could borrow some sugar, and that theyd give you a couple bucks in trade, you'd probably agree. If they said "hey mate, can I have a key to your house so I can crash here in a few days" Youd probably say "uh, no". Or if some homeless man you have never seen before asked if he could sleep on your couch would you say yes?

Asking us to legalize 11M illegal immigrants is easily one of the most ludicrous suggestions I have ever heard. They broke the law-do you expect us to pardon every prisoner as well? If one crime is gonna be completely forgiven might as well do the same for others. And If we legalize all of them, what does that say to future migrants? Oh I don't need to enter the US legally, those guys will just legalize me no matter how I enter. We should NOT encourage future lawbreakers to break the law. That's completely stupid.

As Dman said before, why not put your money where you mouth is. Put up some flyers around your town with your address advertising that any folks who need a place to crash can freely come and go from your home-door will be unlocked. See how that works out for ya. Then you can preach all day long that the US should allow anyone to freely come and go from it's territory.

[Whitcomb The Feared]

Guys i NEVER wrote to legalize people. I just wrote that USA is a country born from illegal migrations. When europeans conquered america, it was not in a legal way.
What i say is to find a solution to integrate those who come, instead of hoping they won't come back. In their countries they risk their life, so they will also risk their lives in USA, they don't care.
I never said to open borders. I said to make a different system of integration. Overall in the past with the problem you generated with your own laws of ius soli (who is born on american soil is american) generated entire generations of americans born from illegal migrants. So, find a way to integrate them. No ?

About killing an iranian guy on iraqi territory. Of course it is a bad move. Why always this increass in violence im USA ? you always cry that 9/11 happened, forgetting that you caused sufferences to those same people in afghanistan in the 1980's. So if every person or nation on the planet, who has been harmed by USA, would revenge... you would have many more 9/11. Again i don't say to close bothe eyes, just eliminate people in a more discrete way or don't kill who is unknown. Who knew about this general ? Nobody. Now you kill him and his face is everywhere as a martyr. You risk oyhrr american lives to kill one unknown guy ? Enemy or guilty or whatever, he wad not popular and you could kill him in a less theatral way. Again, bad move.

Meliva, trade agreements are not only a piece of paper where you write that you agree to shsre sugar with your neighbor. It is much more complicate. And if you signed that you agree om free borders for the members of the agreement, then you can't close borders or the agreement is closed. So now what, do you block trade with mexico for billion of dollars of you find a way to solve migratuons ? No lobby of trade will ever agree to erase trade agreements as NAFTA, not even trump, who is firstly a businessman. He knows the value of the treaty. Same with china, he tries to be the boss but chinese have the power of huge investments