Trump 2020!

[PlagueDoctor]

Trump is, like every populist, the political equivalent of a used car salesman. He is whatever he needs to be to clinch the sale. If the customer wants racism, he'll give it. If they want misogyny, he can grab p*ssy like a locker room pro. If its a vicar, he is on his knees praying. So, no, he may not be a shyte at heart but if it sells the deal he will lay it on by the shovel full, all with that salesmans little smirk.. the one that says 'suckers!'.

[Dmanwuzhere]

How am I not surprised it is you that hides behind some legal definition for what is a morally repugnant way of treating immigrants, including families and little children. That's not racist in itself, just extremely distasteful. Especially for what calls itself a Christian nation.

I wasnt even referring to that, but just to calling every citizen of a neighbouring country "drugdealers, murderers and rapists" (I am paraphrasing).

...anyway, and this is why this should not be on this forum. So I will leave it here.

so mexico with stronger immigration policies which doesnt allow immigrants to be equals in any way must be extremely racist and repugnant by your standard to bad for the guatemalans they were hoping you would argue so strongly for them lol

and the two leading gangs in mexico are drug dealers murderers and rapists but he was talking about one gang in particular with the number of meth deaths in the usa from meth smuggled from mexico i can see why you would want weaker immigration policies *rolls eyes emoji*

your out of date and out of context animal argument stems from words spoken by trump may 5 in the cabinet room on a discussion about ms-13 and he was correct i will leave huckabees comment as well and you can tell the victims of those that are a by-product of those animals all you like how human you think the animals are

“It took an animal to stab a man a hundred times and decapitate him and rip his heart out. It took an animal to beat a woman — they were sex trafficking — with a bat 28 times, indenting part of her body. And it took an animal to kidnap, drug and rape a 14-year-old Houston girl.”

[Mack]

hes a successful businessman... thats bad for our nation... you can call him like a car salesman, but hes a builder.. why wasnt obama raciest when he okayed those facilities you speak about

The Obama administration, not the Trump administration, built the cages that hold many immigrant children at the U.S.-Mexico border.

[The Lamb]

Hmmm, danik... i actually disagree with you on that one. I think he is more a realist without the PC filter on high. I think that sometimes he has a problem articulating what he means, but all politicians pander, but his "pandering" has led to him following up, which turns it from pandering to action, meaning he isnt a used car salesman, he does he says and what the people who voted him in wanted him to do. Very scary idea in politics.

People need to spend longer than the 5-10 seconds listening to sound bites and paraphrasing, because you can push any agenda that way. Context is what matters. Legal definitions are there for a reason, the law doesn't care about your feelings. I feel for people who want to make more money, but international law states that if one is seeking asylum they must do so in the next available country, cant bee in too much fear if they want to pick the country they want to be "saved" in, and what happened to blaming the parents of these poor kids who knew they would be separated at the border if they crossed illegally?

Lastly, where is the same moral outrage for little Johnny in NYC who was separated from his parents that are in jail for breaking the law? Adults who break the law, go to jail when caught, and the kids get separated. I get it though, people cant claim to be virtuous if they put the whole story in perspective, because then it makes too much sense.

People need to stop being hypocrites and being soooo upset that someone said poopy pants when they say poopy pants all the time. This selective outrage really divides us all.

[Most Lee Harmless]

I think Trump has fallen into the trap that can snare a lot of politicians. He may have led the debate, broken the PC code, etc but to keep those high-response ratings means he has to stay out front of an increasingly manic wave of paranoid hysteria. He is now a prisoner of the same PC code himself. But now he cant adopt any position on key divisive issues less than the extreme. A reverse PC, if you like. He can do nothing on gun control, (where once he was in favour of limited controls) not even cosmetically. Abortion the same (where once he was personally against it but still pro-choice), immigration, etc. What drives US politics todayis sound-bites and whats trending on twitter about those soundbites. Complex and difficult ethical issues end up in three word slogans, immutable and non-negotiable.
Successful businessman? For a salesman, yes. He sold property deals to investors and put his name on the resultant buildings. You may be surprised to know how many 'Trump' buildings are not actually owned by his companies. Thats a clause when they get sold on.. the name stays.
Was it two bankrupcies he walked away from? Well, back he came for very little of his own wealth was ever at risk. That is succesful, yes, but not for the investors who did lose out.
Trump is his own brand. He sells that brand, succesfully. But if you think a successful economy grows from such you are seriously deluded. Real earned wealth went skywards when he 'successfully' bankrupted himself. It just wasnt his.

[Mack]

trumps companies have bought a lot of property and assets then added his name and touch to them then resold them for crazy profits.. he does many things mostly buying Remodeling and reselling.. i didnt like the way he bankrupted his companies ... i also dont know the full story on how or why it happened either though... Use Other Peoples Money.. that is motto that a businessman tought me... it was tought in the idea of buying houses remodling and reselling .. that way if you make a mistake and lose it all.... you still have your egg to try again. common pratice its called loans and bonds and what not

i went and read some about his bankruptcies... I did notice most of them were during recessions.. and they were all casinos hotels which would seemingly be most affected by the recession, just people wouldn't have extra money to spend on such things. So maybe the bankruptcies were legit.. it does appear that he used it to lower his debt and interest rates.. although I am sure he is not the only person to ever do this. Not that that makes it morally right but it's not legally wrong. I'm not exactly sure what chapter 11 bankruptcy is I'll have to do some research..

[Jackiieeechaaarrr]

Regardless of your opinion on Trump, his memes are great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

Oh and

for the record trump hasn't been impeached yet because the articles that were voted on haven't been sent to the senate whenever they are sent it is official, essentially the impeachment is only finalized when the trial is started

This isn't true unless you can show me where it say that. AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached

[Dmanwuzhere]

Regardless of your opinion on Trump, his memes are great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

Oh and

for the record trump hasn't been impeached yet because the articles that were voted on haven't been sent to the senate whenever they are sent it is official, essentially the impeachment is only finalized when the trial is started

This isn't true unless you can show me where it say that. AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -democrats

[DezNutz]

Regardless of your opinion on Trump, his memes are great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

Oh and

for the record trump hasn't been impeached yet because the articles that were voted on haven't been sent to the senate whenever they are sent it is official, essentially the impeachment is only finalized when the trial is started

This isn't true unless you can show me where it say that. AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -democrats

LOL. The House not submitting to the Senate is like a Grand Jury coming to a decision on an indictment and then not providing it to judge.

[Jackiieeechaaarrr]

Regardless of your opinion on Trump, his memes are great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

Oh and

for the record trump hasn't been impeached yet because the articles that were voted on haven't been sent to the senate whenever they are sent it is official, essentially the impeachment is only finalized when the trial is started

This isn't true unless you can show me where it say that. AFAIK Trump *is* officially impeached

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -democrats

That's an *opinion* piece, not actual fact. In fact, the author state: "The provisions say nothing about timing. Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate. But the framers’ definition of impeachment assumed that impeachment was a process, not just a House vote."

Let even say he's right. Said who? How does he know what the framer mean? This seem like the author's own interpretation than those of the actual writer who wrote it. As far as anyone is concerned, Trump *is* officially impeached, and arguing over this is irrelevant/moot to the point, especially, as the author said, "Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate."