Fame : what is its purpose?

[Most Lee Harmless]

Last two days I took the warships out to play : 48 battles later I counted me coin. Nice. I pulled out the trusty abacus : 45 wins, no less : 93.75% win ratio. Sweet. Fame? -5.5 million. Yeah. 3 losses wiped out 45 wins fame gain then removed 5.5million more.

Kinda self-evident that 'fame' is not functioning in a way which rewards endeavour and battle prowess. Rather it seems devoted to penalising players on the basis of ship count.

So why bother? Just rank players by ship count and stop wasting bandwidth and processing time on this pointless calculation called 'fame'.

Just a suggestion.

[not a pirate]

Agree. Lost upwards of 300k fame per plunder on my war fleet. Some people with 20,000,000+ fame give me about 12,000.

Don’t think ship count ranking is a good idea if you were being genuine. Just make fame not as volatile for such a dumb reason.. why should a pirate with 3 fleets, who if they are strong fleets should be notorious for such a fact, lose all his fame in 4 plunders?

[Sebena]

I agree with it. I was at 12M and 2 nation ranking ups later I am at 5M just because I travel light.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Agree. Lost upwards of 300k fame per plunder on my war fleet. Some people with 20,000,000+ fame give me about 12,000.

Don’t think ship count ranking is a good idea if you were being genuine. Just make fame not as volatile for such a dumb reason.. why should a pirate with 3 fleets, who if they are strong fleets should be notorious for such a fact, lose all his fame in 4 plunders?

My point is not that a ship count ranking is better or more desirable : but as fame seems to chiefly function as that, let's call it that.

It seems counter-intuitive to me that in a pirate sea-faring game not fighting gets me to 20mil fame but fighting and winning at a rate better the current win ratio rankings leader makes me less 'famous'. If I fight another 150 battles at the same win ratio (4% higher than the top ranking player) then I would become a complete unknown in the game if we use fame as a measure. So what does it measure? Yep, ship count.

[José Gasparila]

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New ranking system.

Do we need to rehash this topic from 7 years ago ?

Captain Jack decided he did not want an achievement based ranking system - too complicated
Fame does not measure achievements - it is your epeen length

If you have high fame then you are a target

[Most Lee Harmless]

No, you are not. It measures nothing of the sort. It measures ship count : that gets you a high fame ranking. Having lots of ships. The other factors in calculating fame have minimal impact compared to that one single factor. Having lots of ships means your fame loss in battle is minimal. Having fewer ships than the 'ideal' 200 counts as a penalty which increases fame loss in battle. Currently my 'rate' is -10% fame per battle loss. If I had 200 ships it would be -1%. Nothing else has changed to cause that. Just ship count.
Taking on a player with more ships than me gains no extra. The fame gain from winning is governed by their ship count. The more ships they have, the less fame I win. So, loss is based on my ship count, gain is based on theirs.
The only way I can gain fame in combat is to only attack players with low ship counts. That does not make high fame/high ship count players my target. Rather the opposite. The logic of the fame system is flawed.

[not a pirate]

My point is not that a ship count ranking is better or more desirable : but as fame seems to chiefly function as that, let's call it that.

It seems counter-intuitive to me that in a pirate sea-faring game not fighting gets me to 20mil fame but fighting and winning at a rate better the current win ratio rankings leader makes me less 'famous'. If I fight another 150 battles at the same win ratio (4% higher than the top ranking player) then I would become a complete unknown in the game if we use fame as a measure. So what does it measure? Yep, ship count.

I know, I agree 100%. While some battle "prowess" is required to gain the fame, the entire formula is quite flawed. You can attack the most powerful and famous person in Avonmora that has hundreds of ships and get nothing, but attack one pirate that has 2 million fame and you've taken 1/6th of their total fame for one battle. It is just a ship count measure.

One upside, it does look better on the players with low ship counts that possess extremely high fame levels.

[Kangaroo]

I suspect most fame these days is the result of cavorting with Governor's offspring.

Could just as easily be a notch on the bedhead count, which is then reduced by a random unrelated factor like ships.

The issue is one that the Dev team have raised internally and fully support a redo, but like 99% of what we touch it's "queued" which is unfortunate but inevitable without limitless resources.

[Black sparrow]

This card actually exists!

[Most Lee Harmless]

This card actually exists!

'If you have 50 ships or more'

So..under 50 ships you are just paying turns to give it away...