Expose from the USA

[Meliva]

I like to be lenient to everyone honestly and give everyone at least one free verbal warning-especially over some of the more obscure rules.

Just remember

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If you still want a warning, I can give one, up to you mate.

[Stan Rogers]

Mel...don't stop him now.... He is just about to tell us it's been Dman doing all the throwing and ignoring his Kings peace treaty. It was said a long ways back, expect never ending trouble while his particular style continues to keep IoM in somewhat steady conflict since when... July ?

It is nice not to listen to the bitching about forums too slow and game too boring.
Feniks...just get out of it man... don't put yourself through the aggravation of trying to defend the indefensible.

[sXs]

Unlike you, I dit not encourage anyone to cast. Not even dman so I will restore the 25 Props I cast on you and the 20 I cast on DTT you restore all the nation and BDs you cast on me and IoM.

I said I would restore SKN for the casts on SKN that I was responsible for. In return you restore all nation casts on me and IoM you are responsible for.

Just did some rough math, you owe IoM and me about 4 billion population by your own admission in the locked thread. and I owe SKN around 18 million influence in Tzogos.

I will boost DTT back to his level as soon as I see the Population in Goroum maxed back to the 2.1 billion it was.

I can give you the link to your admission in the locked thread if you need it.

Then I will restore th 10 million influence i took from you in Tzogos as soon as you restore New land back to 2.1 billion population. I can also reference back to your admission for that one if you like.

[sXs]

Mel...don't stop him now.... He is just about to tell us it's been Dman doing all the throwing and ignoring his Kings peace treaty. It was said a long ways back, expect never ending trouble while his particular style continues to keep IoM in somewhat steady conflict since when... July ?

It is nice not to listen to the bitching about forums too slow and game too boring.
Feniks...just get out of it man... don't put yourself through the aggravation of trying to defend the indefensible.

Unlike you Stan, I offered my logs as proof.

[Mack]

im sure you and dman never spoke about this situation huh feniks

nope didnt have a clue youre not working together or anything

its not like youre in the same guild or nation or anything

you never work together on a target i know

[PFH]

Iom consists of you as dman attacked nationally. I am keeping to my terms as my attacks were provoked from dman. I'll offer one last time.

I will repair my hired and personal attacks in exchange for only YOURS and DMANS attacks. I'm already spending more than you here and I'd rather see some more effort of peace from your end. This may as well be a kneepad session.

[ChaIbaud]

Stop the bickering guys

[Mack]

stranger danger

[Stan Rogers]

Mel...don't stop him now.... He is just about to tell us it's been Dman doing all the throwing and ignoring his Kings peace treaty. It was said a long ways back, expect never ending trouble while his particular style continues to keep IoM in somewhat steady conflict since when... July ?

It is nice not to listen to the bitching about forums too slow and game too boring.
Feniks...just get out of it man... don't put yourself through the aggravation of trying to defend the indefensible.

Unlike you Stan, I offered my logs as proof.

I'm not asking to see your logs Feniks. Your word is good enough for me. The fact though you jump trying to defend yourself only makes you look guilty. If you want it to stop and you know where it is coming from, try to put a stop to it.
If you don;t know , say so and quit deflecting and whataboutisms that seem to predominate your defence that is not really needed in the first place other than your statement of not doing it.

[sXs]

im sure you and dman never spoke about this situation huh feniks

nope didnt have a clue youre not working together or anything

its not like youre in the same guild or nation or anything

you never work together on a target i know

Once. There was one time he talked to me before he cast. He told me he was going to cast on SKN population and wanted to know if i cared. At that point we were down to a total of under 2 billion population so I said go ahead.

Other than that, no dman does not discuss his actions beforehand. I have stated in the forums that I do not like his game play style, but I only control my own actions.

No one has yet given a valid reason for attacking VUDU or IoM for dmans actions yet clockworks actions should not cop the same response to his nation or guild.

That is total hypocrisy. A total double standard.

Just a little history with me and dman. I left Grenada because he attacked you influence in UK Vane. I told him it was not right and I would not be a part of it. If I remember correctly, that was the genesis of war with Grenada in fact. No one in VUDU sanctions dmans actions...... but then again no one sanctions mine.... no one sanctions Shadows.

Vane you know this as well as anyone. VUDU has no rules. Everyone is allowed to play their own style without question. 99% of the time we go about our own business. We do not discuss our action beforehand except in condition of conflict.... even then not alot of discussion.

During the war with Spain, if we coordinated anything it was very last minute. maybe 5 minutes before reset. Even the war with Spain was conducted as individuals more than a team. My main comment on that one is this. If we had worked together or as hard as Spain did, things would have been completely different. One day I was defending 4 ports on my own, the next day it was someone else... maybe once every 3 or 4 days there were 4 or 5 of us working together.

Point is this, we are all individuals responsible for our own play. Including dman. I hold no more influence over dman than Noffin holds over PRO or you.

I hear alot of talk from the other side how all of VUDU and IoM is responsible for dmans actions and how each and everyone of you is justified in attacking us as a group...... and then each and everyone of you denegrate me or anyone of us for returning actions in kind.

In other words "Do as we say..... not as we do"