Clock's question on Dman for CJ

[Most Lee Harmless]

Ah... the players fault. Okay. Be it as it is. After all, if I stop reading posts, I'll never see anything offensive either to have to worry about reporting it. Let the farkwitz run free, we'll all just ignore them.

[Dmanwuzhere]

sounds like a good plan if they are causing you so much stress and happening so frequently
i would probably quit giving input on how you would like to see things change you know cause your a player
just let the mods make it the game they want since they have to do all the work and players dont have any responsibilities
great idea there danik to bad we cant implement it because we are just players

[DezNutz]

Ah... the players fault. Okay. Be it as it is. After all, if I stop reading posts, I'll never see anything offensive either to have to worry about reporting it. Let the farkwitz run free, we'll all just ignore them.

Come on Danik, that's a skewed way to take Mel's post. Ignoring the problem makes you complicit in the problem. If posts are in violation of the rules, report them. It is as simple as that.

In your previous post you made a few good points.

Cops dont all sit in the station canteen waiting for a phone call either. Few patrols might help. Its thr difference between being reactive and pro-active. My view is forum mods do need to be pro-active rather than reactive. But thats just my view.

When folk breach rules with impunity then lots of folk will assume its not really a breach. It wont be reported. Mods have to set the tone and mark out the lines. Then you'll get reports. But if it all gets left to its own devices you wont. Its become acceptable for certain people to post offensive remarks. All that will happen is more people will think its acceptable. All that will happen is that folk who call them out will be abused for doing so.
Then those folk will disengage from the whole process.

Set the standards, enforce the standards. Thats the mods prime function. But when you are more likely to get a ban for asking why rule breaches arent investigated/enforced than for actually clearly breaching those rules.... something is wrong.

Yes the moderation team should be "patrolling" the forums, but with that the community also should also be reporting posts.

Who got banned for asking why rule breaches aren't investigated? If you are talking about "Padrevator", that's not what the ban had to do with.

There is a 3 warning system. The 3rd warning is a ban. Policy was enforced as it should with no ambiguity.

If you received a warning about a post, are you going to post the same thing the very next post.

The standards are set and enforced, but obviously not sufficiently enough. This is and will be addressed.

[Dmanwuzhere]

i do

I also play torn

what level and how many days ya got in

While this is Union of Honor, please keep the discussion to the topic at hand. If you wish to continue this, create a new topic or pm the other player. - Dez

[Lefty]

players who dont report and then complain only have themselves to blame

Again deflecting your behavior onto someone else. I see you have no responsibility for your actions. --REMOVED--
The reason I posted on this topic was not to upset Dman or his friend. It was to make others aware that the style of play is not good for the game. Its not complaining, its trying to get the game to head in a different direction than " Im offended so I did something to offend you". Of course you dont understand that, as your life is so full of hate and anger that you cant see any other way to act.

Listen people, is this the way you want to play?

Do you think we can play a different style?

Tom, that was completely unnecessary to the discussion and is an absolute instigation of dman. If dman's responses are such a problem why instigate him into responding -Dez

[Dmanwuzhere]

players who dont report and then complain only have themselves to blame

Again deflecting your behavior onto someone else. I see you have no responsibility for your actions. --REMOVED--
The reason I posted on this topic was not to upset Dman or his friend. It was to make others aware that the style of play is not good for the game. Its not complaining, its trying to get the game to head in a different direction than " Im offended so I did something to offend you". Of course you dont understand that, as your life is so full of hate and anger that you cant see any other way to act.

Listen people, is this the way you want to play?

Do you think we can play a different style?

Unnecessary and vulgar. There are kids who play this game. Light flaming is understandible. This went too far. 3rd Warning issued. 24 hour ban added -Clockwork

[Lefty]

players who dont report and then complain only have themselves to blame

Again deflecting your behavior onto someone else. I see you have no responsibility for your actions. --REMOVED--
The reason I posted on this topic was not to upset Dman or his friend. It was to make others aware that the style of play is not good for the game. Its not complaining, its trying to get the game to head in a different direction than " Im offended so I did something to offend you". Of course you dont understand that, as your life is so full of hate and anger that you cant see any other way to act.

Listen people, is this the way you want to play?

Do you think we can play a different style?

removed -Clockwork

Thanks for proving my point. You are rude. I didnt blame any admins. You are so full of lies that you cant see the truth in front of your face.
I find your comments very inappropriate here. Why have discussions if this is the way you communicate?
This isnt crying, its trying to discuss. But you cant let your ego be quiet, even for a bit.
Maybe if Dman kept out of it, the rest of us could have a dialogue?

[Dmanwuzhere]

then dont address me
and surely if you can mom joke i can too
or is that a perk you alone are entitled too

[Lefty]

Thats exactly what we mean by your actions. It is not simply that I joke, you joke. Your words are not a joke, they are rude and not what is trying to be discussed here. You are simply not worth the effort of communicating it seems.


Does anyone know how this gets resolved with Dman in the equation?

[Padrevaters]

Back after a 24 hour ban. Again, the same recalcitrant response and actions.

Any complaint at the link gets brushed under the carpet. There is no visibility to actions taken. The other players who have been asked to try that earlier over the years have not done so? And did it work out for them? Some quit because they knew the situation was hopeless. The forum history from multiple years is clear. Dmanz gets a free pass while the rest have to s**k up. As a player, my love for the game is one aspect. But even I have to quit at some time if it exceeds a tolerable limit. The reason players feel best to raise in a public forum is to highlight their concerns in a public forum when there is no action forthcoming from administrators. Dmanz may be right to harass ingame, and the game design does allow it. So while Dmanz is only playing fair, the responses from Deznutz clearly makes the situation worse. That is grating on other players. I just wish other coordinators rapped Deznutz and Clockwork periodically, so that player frustrations are reduced to a tolerable level. Else quit. There are no two ways to it. If an administrator cannot perform the additional task as a coordinator and only wants to play, he is free to do so. But I do not have to tolerate him if I have to enjoy my game. For God's sake, who ever heard of a ban in asking questions? I didn't get any answer and raised it again. If I am continued to be banned, I will raise the same question again after the ban period as I have not received an effective answer. And that is what I call a blatant misuse of privilege. But privilege, it is not.

Deznutz, I am looking for transparency here. I find it hard to accept that you are unable to use a simple statement,'It is not in my power to ban players'. And that would suffice. However, your response of blocking my post and my access for a day shows your delinquent behavior and encouraging more by not blocking delinquent posts irrelevant to the discussion. You are asking it to be reported?!?

The repeated delinquent behavior at the forums is by you Deznutz. Your actions make DManz look like a saint as the game allows it. Why do you hesitate to block the gibberish DManz calls comments? Why did you have to block me instead of answering the question? And that is the reason I ask you to quit the coordinator role and enjoy the game, but stop misusing your so called 'banning' powers. I am not banished, I will continue to live my life at the same location where I have lived for the past so many years in the same way. Hence it raises my question/s.

So what is it that you achieved by banning me? Ego boost?
Are you enjoying your discussions with me or not? Probably not
Am I harassing you ingame? Nope
Am I using abusive language specifically against you? Nope
Then why is it that every post(including the earlier one) I make are banned with 'baiting' as a reason?

It is obvious that you do not like me. But you have a choice to ignore me. Have other administrators respond to me. But by banning only my questions, it is harassment. What gravity defying logic prevents you from typing in a simple statement,"I am powerless to do so" instead of banning the discussion itself. Can you explain the logic behind your actions as an administrator? Definitely deserve an explanation as it is unwarranted and amounts to administrative abuse.

Do you know what baiting is? Fish are to be baited, a fisherman uses bait, and a tack handles bait. But a fisherman MUST use bait to catch fish. Else, he has no fish to sell or for food (The intent behind fishing). A moderator or administrator is expected to answer questions with an yay or a nay as that is the intent of the assumed responsibility. If you feel I am baiting you, quit your role immediately. Don't lower the bar, raise it. Do not be a martyr here. Play the game and enjoy. Allow us to enjoy our game too. Along the way, if you can handle other tasks for the group as an administrator, you are welcome to our gratitude. But do not even for a moment think that you can prevent discussions from happening by blocking players questions. I will raise it now, will continue raising it till I receive a satisfactory answer.

This applies to Clockwork too. Just ban the abusive comments from Dmanz if you find them abusive. But a 24 hour ban is uncalled for. You are using it as a perk. Dman was baited in this case. The earlier comments should also have been blocked, as they are objectionable, but as there was no abuse, it is allowed. Any reference to your mom or family is baiting. And Dman, in his own way was rightly justified in assuming the position as he was joking too. But since he did not report it, those comments stay. I take objection to any family members being utilized in any fight. I recommend that all such references to ones's family immediately be blocked whether used as a joke or otherwise. IF you do not have such rules, and have to wait for it to be reported first, then change the damned rules. Look player fights are common, but if I can't rely on the administrator to do an impartial job and use caution to moderate only abusive language, then it gets blown out of context. By showing your partiality towards some players, you are doing an injustice to the role.

And on this note, CJ, I apply myself for the position of community moderator / game development coordinator. I know for sure that I can do a terrific job.