Clock's question on Dman for CJ

[DezNutz]

Clearly the same load of whatever ... from Dez again. Are you trying to protect Dmanz or are you asking newcomers to despair and quit the game?!? Ask any player new or otherwise the same questions, Dez.

Who struck first?
Was there instigation?
What was the level of retaliations?
Was any cease fire called in effort to resolve?
Was that broken and by who?
Was that instigated?
Do actions against others relate to the originating situation?
If they do, how?
If they don't, they take not part in the situation at hand.

Does he use Deluge as a front? Yes. Every player in this forum is testament to this. Attack Dmanz and Deluge voodoos back. Voodoo Deluge, and Dmanz attacks you and voodoos you in under 5 minutes! Multiple players in Guard are testament to this.

As for extortion, what is that proof you seek? IF the player reveals himself here giving you proof, what is that action you will or can take? There is definitive proof and we can give it, but what is the guarantee that you will not subtext it that we are trying to highlight ourselves as you are doing now? Can you spell out what is that action you will take if proof is provided?

That's the nail on the head I have been aiming for, Danik! Dez may feel there is nothing wrong with what Dmanz is doing. Except for the feeling of despondency and failure which prevails on any new player as a result of Dmanz actions. Dez states that the players of all guilds can collectively choose to cast back if they stood by newbies. That does not happen, As in any online game, unless the newbie is consistent and active in the game, his voice goes unheard. Veterans dish out advise on, "cast and do not expect the opponent to keep quiet' advise even when knowing that a newcomer is always scared of targeting experienced players and there is no reason for them in doing so.
Questions Dmanz has to ask himself --> Why are you scared of a new player?
Regarding newcomer safeguards, probably, we have to change the game to a 30 day no attack on newcomers or from newcomers instead of a 1000 turn based model.

As for the newcomer, he will quit the game and move on to a different game where he is able to enjoy. But it is a loss to Piratesglory.

Clearly, a load for whatever....

You do understand, that I have taken no side on this. There is this thing called being objective based on what was presented. One side of a story doesn't equate to a guilty verdict.

You should try it sometime.

Or wait, let's just take what you said and ban dman to infinity because you don't like his actions. That's a great way to do it. A group has come forward and made a complaint. Toxic game play. Demand Action. Wait what, you want to investigate, get both sides of the story, presume innocence until proven guilty, and not jump to conclusions based on what we presented. How dare you not give into our demands. Newbs will leave the game. Admonishment. Admonishment. Shame.

That's a real great precedent to set. Let me know it works out for you.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I feel its actually wiser to debate with you Dmanz. I wish you would stop extreme actions and focus on a positive game. I beg of you, it makes the game more enjoyable to all of us.

well then i suggest you do not attack me or those around me with the same tag and a few without the same tag
or i will cast voodoo on you and if needed those around you especially if you cast on multiple targets normally or multiple targets attack one
now if you FEEL that is extreme and are negative actions i beg of you to buy a dictionary
that will make the game more enjoyable for all of us as well
if you attack you get to choose your severity voodoo and time
however when i respond those are my options as well
and i will do what i FEEL is needed

[Padrevaters]

Dez, No one is asking you to ban Dmanz. But if there is a clear violation, what prevents you from doing so? What I ask is what actions would you take or list out the actions you intend to take in case violations are reported? If so, define the actions, and from the next violation reported, we expect you to act on it. Don't bullshit me by trying to subtext vague reason here. Do you have it in you to take action? No one is asking you to take action retrospectively, but for any violations occurring in the future. If you cannot define or deem it unnecessary to give the logical explanation of actions to be taken, then what are you doing as a whatever coordinator you think you are?!? If not, just enjoy the game and quit your role as a game admin or whatever role you call yourself.

[DezNutz]

except the thread says not to message him and to use this instead and nothing I report gets handled or even gets a response.

You aren't directly messaging him. There is an in game link to report rule violations.

https://s2.piratesglory.com/index.php?page=contact

Dez, don't quote the rule book and have us lodge complaints at a link. It did not work that way. What makes you think it will work now? Instead, use this forum as the complaint. Now define what is that action plan you have. Show me those transparent actions you have for any such violation. Once you have the action defined, from the next violation, you can question, and then take action. But spelling out the action is the deterrent we want. That deterrence acts as guidance for all players.

This isn't a court of public opinion. If there is a specific rule violation, ie extortion, it is to be reported via the link. Griefing is considered toxic game play but is not explicitly written in the rules and has been asked to post such occurrences in the forums. I can't accuse player X openly in the forums of having multiple accounts, a specific rule violation. It's bad policy and creates false impressions against players, especially those who didn't actually violate the rules. Otherwise I could just post accusations all day and smear players. How do you draw the line? We don't delete topics. Would you like me to accuse you of something openly in the forums. I'm sure players would love to read about how player X did something. There are several players who have been let's say banned for specific rule violation and given second chances. We don't discuss it openly and their violation isn't to be discussed openly.

We aren't going to discuss it openly. Griefing and Toxic Behavior are different as it is based on a series of actions over a period of time that in and of themselves do not violate the rules. Perspective on the issue is needed.

Thanks for playing, you don't know what you are talking about.

[Padrevaters]

Admin Baiting

- Warning Issued - Dez

[Padrevaters]

Warned and Banned 1 Day

- Questioning an administrators response, specifically how they will respond to a violation is admin baiting and against the rules. You don't seem to understand. Maybe some time off will help. -Dez

[Caladan]

REMOVED - Dez

I'm curious about this aswell...

[DezNutz]

REMOVED - Dez

I'm curious about this aswell...

Don't be. How violations are handled is not up for discussion.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Lets be brutally honest here, Dez, Its how SOME violations are handled. There are plenty of violations of forum rules and netiquette which go unremarked. Pissing off the mods is not one but foul language, foul abuse, discriminatory comments... they get afree pass far too often. Often enough I have ceased to call them out cos guess what,... not a lot happens save.. yep.. more abuse, foul language and discriminatory comments.
If there are to be deletions and bans handed out for breaching forum rules, netiquette or TOS... lets not just see the red ink when its a mod getting hazed.

And here is part of the problem with your approach : the obvoe would be considered admin-baiting, questioning of admins actions, etc... so you should delete it and ban me. Kinda kills any discussion on any valid concerns about game and forum behaviour, no?

[Caladan]

He didn't ask for a discussion, he asked if it is within your mandate to do anything if a violation occurs in the future? or is it only CJ who can do anything if a violation occurs?
In my opinion Padrevaters didn't write anything that warranted being censored.