Fame Discussion

[Hawk]

This topic is to talk about fame in general. How it works, ways it could be better, or if it is fine as is.

My personal opinion is that the general setup for Fame is close to fine as is, but maybe needs some additions or changes. As a pirate it makes sense to me that attacking a high fame player is the best way to get fame. Also that the most famous traders would generally have the most ships. But perhaps there is something better then ship count to base fame loss off of. Maybe ships on the water and influence could acquire fame, but ship count play a smaller role for how much you lose when attacked. I would also like to see a somewhat less fluid fame system. Maybe have decreasing amounts of fame exchanged for consecutive battle between two players, and overall smaller percentages.

Thoughts and opinions? I hope to condense the consensus into a development suggestion, after there is enough input.


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[DezNutz]

IMO, I think there could be some updates to Fame.

Players that have few ships seem to get the crap end of the stick when it comes to fame loss. This shouldn't necessarily be the case and definitely should be looked into.

I think that biggest thing that Fame needs is a new purpose. I think a Fame Market where players can trade in their fame for time limited perks and potentially visual customization of a flagships, estates, and/or other features would be an interesting option.

[Shadowood]

An active player, that has low ship count, should not be penalized for such with regards to fame.

Just because you have 500 ships, doesn't make you famous. I believe the deeds you do should. Therefore more weight needs to be put here in my opinion.

Simply due to the fact that FAME really doesn't matter currently in the game, I have not spoken up about this topic much before. However, if in game mechanics start to include FAME as a metric more, then there for sure needs to be a fix.

I am not at the top of any list, but I believe my actions and involvement in game have given me a reputation, GOOD OR BAD, that is Fame. Is it not?



I am top 10 for Plunder, Most Battle, Wins, Losses and have stolen more Man of War then any other player ever. Should I not be included in the top on the "Fame List"?

[Psychodad]

you're at the top of my fame list buddy.

[sXs]

Fame as it stands now should NOT be used in any game mechanics. I do not think fame should determine what is "undercover" and what is not either.

Shadow is correct. Fame should be about deeds not ship count.

Simply look at it from a historic perspective. How many traders made it into the history books? And if they did become "famous", what made them famous. It was deeds or actions.

[Shadowood]

you're at the top of my fame list buddy.

Thanks buddy.

I didn't mean for my post to come off as a brag session, and I hope others don't read it as such. I was just using some of my accomplishments to prove a point.

There are many others that are "low" on the current fame list that should be recognized better

[DezNutz]

An active player, that has low ship count, should not be penalized for such with regards to fame.

Just because you have 500 ships, doesn't make you famous. I believe the deeds you do should. Therefore more weight needs to be put here in my opinion.

Simply due to the fact that FAME really doesn't matter currently in the game, I have not spoken up about this topic much before. However, if in game mechanics start to include FAME as a metric more, then there for sure needs to be a fix.

I am not at the top of any list, but I believe my actions and involvement in game have given me a reputation, GOOD OR BAD, that is Fame. Is it not?



I am top 10 for Plunder, Most Battle, Wins, Losses and have stolen more Man of War then any other player ever. Should I not be included in the top on the "Fame List"?

You are correct holding any number of ships shouldn't make you famous, but it technically doesn't. Probably a poor example, but I understand where you are coming from.

Ship count currently only directly relates to fame loss. There is some logic behind more ships reducing the loss. More ships generally means more fleets that can be plundered. No player should have all of their fame wiped clean due to being lit up with voodoo. Like you said, being known is what fame is, whether it is good or bad. Being a good target for plunderers makes you "known".

Each side of the coin must be looked at.

Now I agree that the way fame currently works is not very good. Things that should provide fame, either don't, or don't provide the fame in numbers that are relevant. Then there are things that provide fame that shouldn't, or atleast not in high quantities. For example, being a (man)whore (Romantically Involved with all 21 daughters/sons) earns you a tremendous amount of fame. Should it earn you fame, yes, but not in the numbers it does.

Another example: plundering ships should earn you fame, and depending on the ship should earn you more. This technically does as you have to conduct PvP Battle to plunder a ship; however, the amount you gain may be very small. The amount should be dependent on the ship plundered.

[sXs]

Dez who is more famous? The trader who is plundered or the pirate that plundered him?

I disagree with your statement. More ships shod not get you a break on fame loss. The calculation should be the same without regard to ship count.

[DezNutz]

Dez who is more famous? The trader who is plundered or the pirate that plundered him?

I disagree with your statement. More ships shod not get you a break on fame loss. The calculation should be the same without regard to ship count.

I didn't say more ships should give you a break. I said there is logic for it in how fame is currently setup. No where did I say I agreed with that logic or how fame is currently used.

[PFH]

Maybe the current fame metric should be measured in number of achievements instead of what is is. The current fame metric should be called, in my opinion, notoriety. You could be famous but notoriety sounds like a more specific kind of metric.

Fame is a general term. You could have fame for many thing, but notoriety sounds more criminalistic than fame.