Plantations Expansion

[Kangaroo]

If you ask if plantations accept immigrants when you do not have an operating permission, then yes. They will normally accept them.

If you even have acres rented (or add Fertile Lands if you do not) your workers will still work on the rest of the facilities (like Utility, you can continue building). All workers at facilities, work 8 hours a day, regardless of workload you choose. The workload only affects fields workers.

Fields workers though, during no op period, do not work anyway.

Cheers mate

[Lod]

Quartermasters are no longer bidding for acres I notice.
Is this a new feature that I missed?`Why, if so, is there still an option to set price limits for them?

[Bomont]

My quartermaster didn't show up for work this morning either.

[Captain Jack]

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September 17, 2018
1.9.123: Plantations: Quartermaster will not attempt to renew bids with less than 100 acres anymore.


It does not matter if you have 1000 acres expiring, if each deal is less than 100 acres. Like 45, 12, 78 etc. The Quartermaster makes bids per expiring deal, not in total.

It should not be uncommon to have multiple bids less than 100 acres, due to the way Ports acres expansion works. At this case, if you have a bunch of such expiring deals, consider putting a manual bid before their expiration.

[Lod]

No I did not it was one solid bid for 1952 acres. As we disussed in IM I think it depended on that my original bid was for 2500 and then it was split up in one big chunk and some smaller, also over 100 though, but as they had the same timestamp QM only bid for the first one neglecting the next.
About the option to put up manual bids that can only be done for the first 2500. After you changed the lease time from 28 to 21 days One can have up to 5k acres expireing within a day. So that is not an option for the acres after first 2500. (I had over 4K expireing in a port today and hence lost some even though I was there and trying to bid.
gc 132 309 1d 3h 10m
gc 131 191 1d 3h 10m
: thats one
gc 132 500 2d 8h 20m
gc 133 489 2d 8h 20m
Me: another
gc 29 160 3d 2h
gc 129 180 3d 2h
gc 32 180 20d 10h 20m
gc 33 140 20d 10h 20m
thats for one plant only

There are several more like that but with one of the bids lower than 100 at the same time. Those too loses me acres ofcourse.
I need to have manual bids to get to keep my land. However qm then over bids me if I bid before him. and that creates even more like this. A problem that needs to be adressed I think. It cant only be i who have this problem.

[Captain Jack]

1)Quartermaster renews expiring deals.

The original bid does not matter for the Quartermaster. The Quartermaster attempts to renew expiring bids.

So, if your original bid is for 500 acres and you manage to get these bids:
24
56
20
400

Then, when the Quartermaster will attempt to renew the 400 one when the time comes. The other 4, will be ignored by him.

2)Quartermaster bids

Also replying to another, what Quartermaster does, is to bid. He bids using the minimum possible price of his maximum allowed. The minimum possible price is defined by prices at the time of the bid.


If this is not the case, please post your Quartermaster bid list here. From what I checked, everything works fine but I may be missing something.
I updated the typo that mentions the old functionality (1 day before expiration) as it is now approximately 1 hour.

The issue is mostly created by the expand port acres law, which create these chunks. With time, this will become less of an issue.

[Lod]

QM will only make bid for the first expireing lot of those I listed. I'v seen this on several occations. Thois bids do not always come from the same original bid for lets say 1000. It's as likely that they origin from diffrent bids that was only partially filled leaving a bunch of diffrent bids as the result. But when a big chunk of acres become free then all those will be bought at the same time only to come back the next time they expire as diffrent bids but at the same time. QM must be able to bid for them all not only the first listed as it is now. It's not unlikely that the smaller bids are first in line and then you miss bidding on the majority of your acres expireing. I'm not sure how I better can explain this, you do not seem to understand the problem.

[Captain Jack]

You are right, I do not understand the problem. Try breaking it up at parts? I will do the same:

QM will only make bid for the first expireing lot of those I listed. I'v seen this on several occasions.

I believe your facts are wrong. You see a list of expiring deals in close time with each other. But QM does not see lots of bids. QM views bids and does not group them.

QM will only make bid for the first expireing lot of those I listed. I'v seen this on several occations. It's as likely that they origin from diffrent bids that was only partially filled leaving a bunch of diffrent bids as the result.

This is irrelevant. It plays no role where these bids come from. QM only deals with expiring deals. Their origins is unknown to him.

But when a big chunk of acres become free then all those will be bought at the same time only to come back the next time they expire as different bids but at the same time.

Still irrelevant but let me add here that QM bids before the expiration. Around 1 hour before. So, if 500 acres are expiring, the QM will place his bids before they expire. If acres are available at that time, you will get acres before the other expire. So for around 1 hour, you will have MORE acres. If there are no acres available, then your acres, when the bid expires, they will go to the highest bidder. Whoever the highest bidder is. Which may not be your bid, despite QM's bid (aka, QM bid is not good enough). At such a case, you will lose your acres.

QM must be able to bid for them all not only the first listed as it is now.

Back to the same topic, let's at least make sure we understand each other. Here are some examples:

1)

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Your Active Deals
gc 41   99   8h 40m
gc 41   99   10h 20m
gc 41   99   10h 40m
gc 41   20   11h 30m
gc 41   18   12h 40m
gc 41   12   14h 30m
gc 41   10   14h 40m


Out of this lot, no bids will be made.

2)

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Your Active Deals
gc 41   123   8h 40m
gc 41   162   10h 20m
gc 41   104   10h 40m
gc 41   20   11h 30m
gc 41   99   12h 40m
gc 41   99   14h 30m
gc 41   10   14h 40m


Out of this lot, 3 bids will be made.
1. 123 acres bid, around 6h and 40m later
2. 162 acres bid, around 9h and 20m later
3. 104 acres bid, around 9h and 40m later

So, after around 10h and 40m, if NO BIDS are successful, Your Active Bids MUST include all above 3 bids. IF NOT, then check Your Active Deals, they should be there, successful at the bottom of the list. IF NOT, then it is a bug.

It's not unlikely that the smaller bids are first in line and then you miss bidding on the majority of your acres expireing.

I do not get this. Open Bids list on highest bid to lower. Then Active deals list on expiring first. Finally, other bids list high to lower again. So what exactly do you mean here?

At any case, please PM me a plantation where you are certain about being problematic and I can check for you. I will check things such as:
-Your Quartermaster status
-Your Quartermaster highest bid
-Your open bids
-Your active bids
-Last successful bids


As for the system functionality, I think that a change is needed indeed. Just like QM does not bid for less than 100 acres, in the same way one should not be able to get less than 100 acres. So, minimum renting lot should be 100 acres too. Such functionality can solve issues. Then, we can remove bids with less than 100 acres each.

[Lod]

Ok Ill give it another shot.

Lets say I put a bid for 500acres at 50. Someone else bid 51 for 150 acres. 500 is sold I get 350 and is left with a rest order of 150. I now put in a new bid for 500 acres for 50. SO, I now have one bid for 150 and one for 500 at 50. What happens next is that 1k acres come up for sale. I get both my bids filled at the same time and that means they also expire at the same time. After 21 days the need to be renewed but the QM only bids for the first 150 as that will appear first in line. The 500 I have to bid for manually if I want them back. If Im not online I'm likely to lose them.

As I can only bid for 500/day that is how I must bid to increase a plot with 500 per day
I can end up with several such smaller rest bids all over 100 before I finally can buy them all at once.

[Bomont]

Here are a couple cut and pastes from my plantations:

gc 16 100 14h 7m
gc 17 100 14h 7m
gc 19 100 1d 23h 57m

gc 24 100 14d 3h 37m
gc 24 100 16d 47m
gc 25 100 16d 47m
gc 24 100 18d 5h 57m

Both of them have 2 chunks of acreage expiring at the same time. Lods is saying that if they expire on the same minute, the QM only looks at the first one and skips the second lot of acres expiring that minute.

I have noticed recently that I've had the same problem of my QM having a max bid higher than what acreage is selling for, but not getting my acreage renewed. I wasn't paying attention to it closely enough to know why, but it may have been the same reason he is saying. I just know that I had my QM active with an adequate bid and I lost acreage.