Plantations Expansion

[Jessy's Dream]

CJ will soon ask that plantations should also make his coffee at the blink of his eyes.

[Bomont]

CJ will soon ask that plantations should also make his coffee at the blink of his eyes.

Well, if he gets that in I'll pay more for the acreage.

[DezNutz]

The rent is daily indeed. The rest will be a daily fluctuation and it has to be this way because plantations may wish to change their acreage daily.

This whole issue becomes complex due to the rogue example. Rogues however can be controlled by the nation officials by restricting them when they come for a new license. However, why do it, if such "rogues" can bring in most gold than all?

I do believe however that rogue situations are going to be similar to nation coups. They will be possible to happen but they will not happen frequently and at all cases, the prepared players/nations will have the upper hand. 20,000 acres are a lot and spending a lot of gold coin just to cause strife, is going to fail anyway in the long term. Why? Because a plantation that needs 5,000 acres will also produce coin to compete with the one trying to raise the rent. The one who tries to raise the rent, will get nothing back, he will just pay.

Also, with the possibility of adding up to 30,000 more acres, means that advanced nations will have plenty of room at their ports. In general, these are problems that we seriously take in mind, trying to figure out how to deal with this.

Perhaps, we should have a limit in how many acres can be bought at once. A limit of 1000 acres for example, it would mean that someone would actually have to pay for 1000 acres first, before trying to get 1000 more. With no limit, one could bid for 20,000, raise the rent without paying anything. That's not cool. Therefore, we will also use a limit. We will start with 500 acres per day. so, if someone wants to be a rogue, he will need to be determined and ready to pay.

Wait are you saying, that if I'm the winning bidder of 50 acres of land at 500gc per acre per day, that my rent could increase outside of what I won the bid for?

[Shadowood]

CJ will soon ask that plantations should also make his coffee at the blink of his eyes.

Happy Wife, Happy Life CJ!!

(no clue if Jessy is your wife or just a work wife... but they are kind of the same)

[sXs]

The rent is daily indeed. The rest will be a daily fluctuation and it has to be this way because plantations may wish to change their acreage daily.

This whole issue becomes complex due to the rogue example. Rogues however can be controlled by the nation officials by restricting them when they come for a new license. However, why do it, if such "rogues" can bring in most gold than all?

I do believe however that rogue situations are going to be similar to nation coups. They will be possible to happen but they will not happen frequently and at all cases, the prepared players/nations will have the upper hand. 20,000 acres are a lot and spending a lot of gold coin just to cause strife, is going to fail anyway in the long term. Why? Because a plantation that needs 5,000 acres will also produce coin to compete with the one trying to raise the rent. The one who tries to raise the rent, will get nothing back, he will just pay.

Also, with the possibility of adding up to 30,000 more acres, means that advanced nations will have plenty of room at their ports. In general, these are problems that we seriously take in mind, trying to figure out how to deal with this.

Perhaps, we should have a limit in how many acres can be bought at once. A limit of 1000 acres for example, it would mean that someone would actually have to pay for 1000 acres first, before trying to get 1000 more. With no limit, one could bid for 20,000, raise the rent without paying anything. That's not cool. Therefore, we will also use a limit. We will start with 500 acres per day. so, if someone wants to be a rogue, he will need to be determined and ready to pay.

Wait are you saying, that if I'm the winning bidder of 50 acres of land at 500gc per acre per day, that my rent could increase outside of what I won the bid for?

That was what I concerned about. But CJ is correct it would only apply if the person outbidding you (raising your rent) actually accepted the acreage and paid the rent. This would make no sense for someone to pay and accept acres they have no plans on developing, just to force you to pay more for your acreage.

[DezNutz]

CJ will soon ask that plantations should also make his coffee at the blink of his eyes.

Happy Wife, Happy Life CJ!!

(no clue if Jessy is your wife or just a work wife... but they are kind of the same)

Similar but not the same. You can only toss insults so much at work.

[Jessy's Dream]

Nah, CJ is always like, ok, let's add this.
No problem, we will do it this way then.
Only in the last 3 days, if you see how many things he keeps adding up, you will realize what I am saying.

Oh yes, acres... let's make a bidding system. Hmm.. sure, let's make it a hybrid then. Certainly, we only need to use a limit. Of course! Coffee at the blink of the eye, how great!

[DezNutz]

The rent is daily indeed. The rest will be a daily fluctuation and it has to be this way because plantations may wish to change their acreage daily.

This whole issue becomes complex due to the rogue example. Rogues however can be controlled by the nation officials by restricting them when they come for a new license. However, why do it, if such "rogues" can bring in most gold than all?

I do believe however that rogue situations are going to be similar to nation coups. They will be possible to happen but they will not happen frequently and at all cases, the prepared players/nations will have the upper hand. 20,000 acres are a lot and spending a lot of gold coin just to cause strife, is going to fail anyway in the long term. Why? Because a plantation that needs 5,000 acres will also produce coin to compete with the one trying to raise the rent. The one who tries to raise the rent, will get nothing back, he will just pay.

Also, with the possibility of adding up to 30,000 more acres, means that advanced nations will have plenty of room at their ports. In general, these are problems that we seriously take in mind, trying to figure out how to deal with this.

Perhaps, we should have a limit in how many acres can be bought at once. A limit of 1000 acres for example, it would mean that someone would actually have to pay for 1000 acres first, before trying to get 1000 more. With no limit, one could bid for 20,000, raise the rent without paying anything. That's not cool. Therefore, we will also use a limit. We will start with 500 acres per day. so, if someone wants to be a rogue, he will need to be determined and ready to pay.

Wait are you saying, that if I'm the winning bidder of 50 acres of land at 500gc per acre per day, that my rent could increase outside of what I won the bid for?

That was what I concerned about. But CJ is correct it would only apply if the person outbidding you (raising your rent) actually accepted the acreage and paid the rent. This would make no sense for someone to pay and accept acres they have no plans on developing, just to force you to pay more for your acreage.

So if I already have my acres and another player bids more per acre and accepts, my rent will go up? My rent is a contract agreement. The fact that am able to bid on the land tells me that the price I bid is the final price, if accepted.

Having my rates go up after I bid and won, because someone else chose to pay more is a major issue to me. It is contrary to basic contract concepts. It is economically unsound. You might as well sell land at a value where players can only make a very very small profit per acre, because that is where the price will eventually move to.

[Bomont]

Wait are you saying, that if I'm the winning bidder of 50 acres of land at 500gc per acre per day, that my rent could increase outside of what I won the bid for?

At the bottom post on page 10, CJ said 105 crates/day/acre (I think this is just a number for discussion, but somewhere in the range we'll see?) If food is selling for 5gc/crate and you pay 500 gc/acre, it's costing you about 4.75gc/crate for the acreage. You still need to take care of the workers, guards, building maintenance, etc. That ignores the initial cost of operating permission, buildings, bringing in workers, etc. I doubt you'll be bidding 500gc/acre for long.

Obviously, the prices will depend on supply and demand, and the production (105 crates/acre) will depend on workers' conditions, building types, etc.

[DezNutz]

Wait are you saying, that if I'm the winning bidder of 50 acres of land at 500gc per acre per day, that my rent could increase outside of what I won the bid for?

At the bottom post on page 10, CJ said 105 crates/day/acre (I think this is just a number for discussion, but somewhere in the range we'll see?) If food is selling for 5gc/crate and you pay 500 gc/acre, it's costing you about 4.75gc/crate for the acreage. You still need to take care of the workers, guards, building maintenance, etc. That ignores the initial cost of operating permission, buildings, bringing in workers, etc. I doubt you'll be bidding 500gc/acre for long.

Obviously, the prices will depend on supply and demand, and the production (105 crates/acre) will depend on workers' conditions, building types, etc.

I used 500 gc as an arbitrary number. I did not calculate out the plantations data, just used the number as an example. I could have figured out an actual number that is relative, but the number doesn't matter. If I bid X for 100 acres and win, and accept the land, the amount X is what I should pay for the length of the contract. If someone comes after I take possession of my land and posts a new bid of X+50 for whatever number of acres, wins and takes possession of their land, my rate should still be X. CJ said that rent is daily and will be calculated daily. There is no reason to calculate it daily, unless the rate could change. Even if I buy 100 acres later at Y, my rate of X for my first 100 acres will remain at X. There is effective rate, which takes the average between multiple purchases, which shows what you are effectively paying for all of your land per acre, but that doesn't change that rates of X and Y for their respective acreage.