Tom Lowe, you spineless worm

[Captain Jack]

After reading Stan Rogers replies here, I must say that I mostly agree with his position.

Regarding the facts:
-Banger used insults in a public forum. I am okay with the spineless worm insult, it sounds much piratey to me (so much for claiming you deserted piracy Banger ) and it is posted at the Union of honor, which is the right place. I am not okay with the words used inside the post though. These are considered a harassment, not flaming and such kind of harassment drop the communication level overall. They must be avoided (I edited that post).
-Luckily for Banger, Tom Lowe has not been disturbed enough to report a harassment to administration. That's a grown man's behavior and I applaud it. Still, there needs to be clear distinction between flaming and harassment not only for Banger but for everyone in order to avoid repetitions in the future.

Let's come to the key element in the story here, in my perspective:
In my understanding, Banger and Tom now have a personal issue. They probably had it before this topic but now it is public. This is what we want to stop with the griefing rule. We want to protect both Tom and Banger from turning their daily game into a hate contest. If one of the players decides that their IRL honor has been assaulted, what is to stop them from turning this into a daily struggle till one quits?

This is what is unacceptable. However, you cannot come to administration and call for grieving while you throw more wood in the fire. We cannot interfere in such.

Closing up, my memory is not short. I remember past cases for both players. I believe that you should put a limit to your fighting. Let's say 2 weeks more max. These should be more than enough to wash off any of the current or past insults. If you can roleplay it earlier, all the better. I will even find a way to reward you in-game for such. Let's not make it more of a story, I hope.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I agree that there should be guidelines however I think it will ultimately fall to where CJ's moral compass passes judgement on a case by case basis.
There is no doubt CJ would have intervened on Dman's behalf if things went, in his opinion, too far.
I don't think Banger's complaint has reached that stage but not for me to say.

Lol there was no threat of me complaining as it was easily endurable, Cj would not have intervened as I would have asked that he did not.
That is the difference.
Traders get hit and cry and cite overfishing and all sorts of other crybaby terminology that simply means its not fair if you take my coin.
There have been cases where I thought attacks were utilized to often and then they cast voodoo and that means light em up they wanna play.
You didnt hear me complain you heard me respond with what I would do ........ I didnt need to go get 8 other people to help.
If you need 8 people to do what you yourself want to do to someone then you are weaker than them and it is proven in front of everyone

[Xxmontyxx]

Hell if i want to light up a guild on my own to send a "message" (in the words of nike) I just do it

[PhoenixKnight]

I recall someone threatening to attack nations, ports and other guilds before anyone even touched them. Definitely smelled like fear to me

[Xxmontyxx]

meh port play is a tactic of the weak ... lighting up entire guilds is where the fun is at

[Dmanwuzhere]

Lol, fear?
nope , drew attention to me as I already knew who you were targeting and of the list of names it started with my messages made sure it began and ended with me.

[Banger]

After reading Stan Rogers replies here, I must say that I mostly agree with his position.

Regarding the facts:
-Banger used insults in a public forum. I am okay with the spineless worm insult, it sounds much piratey to me (so much for claiming you deserted piracy Banger ) and it is posted at the Union of honor, which is the right place. I am not okay with the words used inside the post though. These are considered a harassment, not flaming and such kind of harassment drop the communication level overall. They must be avoided (I edited that post).
-Luckily for Banger, Tom Lowe has not been disturbed enough to report a harassment to administration. That's a grown man's behavior and I applaud it. Still, there needs to be clear distinction between flaming and harassment not only for Banger but for everyone in order to avoid repetitions in the future.

Let's come to the key element in the story here, in my perspective:
In my understanding, Banger and Tom now have a personal issue. They probably had it before this topic but now it is public. This is what we want to stop with the griefing rule. We want to protect both Tom and Banger from turning their daily game into a hate contest. If one of the players decides that their IRL honor has been assaulted, what is to stop them from turning this into a daily struggle till one quits?

This is what is unacceptable. However, you cannot come to administration and call for grieving while you throw more wood in the fire. We cannot interfere in such.

Closing up, my memory is not short. I remember past cases for both players. I believe that you should put a limit to your fighting. Let's say 2 weeks more max. These should be more than enough to wash off any of the current or past insults. If you can roleplay it earlier, all the better. I will even find a way to reward you in-game for such. Let's not make it more of a story, I hope.

Cool, based on your response I quit. Good to see the rules work as intended.

[Captain Jack]

You are neither the first, nor the last to quit over this reason. We want to improve this aspect. However, improving is one thing, holding administration liable for this is another. Since you are attempting the later, I am now even happier for my previous response.

[Banger]

You are neither the first, nor the last to quit over this reason. We want to improve this aspect. However, improving is one thing, holding administration liable for this is another. Since you are attempting the later, I am now even happier for my previous response.

I wish Pirates Glory nothing but the best, thanks for your response on the matter Captain Jack, fair winds.

[Captain Jack]

You are neither the first, nor the last to quit over this reason. We want to improve this aspect. However, improving is one thing, holding administration liable for this is another. Since you are attempting the later, I am now even happier for my previous response.

For the record, I am not happy for Banger announcing his intention to quit. If anyone assumed this, it is a mistake. I am pointing this out as I received a relative message that implied this misunderstanding.

For what I am happier, is for the post I wrote above, in the way I wrote it. A way which I consider passive and a gently solution to take things forward in a possible grieving case, like this one.