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Re: Thriving markets

Postby Meliva » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:43 am

yes, a few times they surrendered. Though that is a rare occurrence. And often time they may surrender so that they may retreat, regroup and fight again. But they would not in the middle of a battle up and turn and flee.
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby D00T » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:46 am

I mean, take the instance of King Olaf, if I a, not wrong when his ship was surrounded and rained upon by arrows, his men did not cower, instead they try to jump to the enemy, and drowned, but that does take some balls.
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby Meliva » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:49 am

and yeah there will be the occasional man who would cower, not ALL Vikings were brave all the time. Just like not ALL pirates would surrender or run if they thought they could not win. But at the end of the day, its safe to say that the average Vikings would be brave and fight to the death while the average pirate would not. And again in a land battle in melee Vikings have the advantage. At sea pirates would hold an advantage. Neither completely outclasses the other.
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby Jack Teach » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:50 am

Meliva wrote:yes, a few times they surrendered. Though that is a rare occurrence. And often time they may surrender so that they may retreat, regroup and fight again. But they would not in the middle of a battle up and turn and flee.

I think that bursts of gunpowder and fire and musket fire would cause a group of Vikings to perhaps make them surrender, as would the raising of a flag that literally says "if you fight, you die." As would the fact that this Vikings would have never seen ANYTHING like this before, it might just frighten them. Maybe.
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby D00T » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:53 am

Jack Roberts wrote:
Meliva wrote:yes, a few times they surrendered. Though that is a rare occurrence. And often time they may surrender so that they may retreat, regroup and fight again. But they would not in the middle of a battle up and turn and flee.

I think that bursts of gunpowder and fire and musket fire would cause a group of Vikings to perhaps make them surrender, as would the raising of a flag that literally says "if you fight, you die." As would the fact that this Vikings would have never seen ANYTHING like this before, it might just frighten them. Maybe.

They might surrender, but not run away forever, soon they will realize the power of gunpowder and not fear it.
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby Jack Teach » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:59 am

SpacedefenderX wrote:
Jack Roberts wrote:
Meliva wrote:yes, a few times they surrendered. Though that is a rare occurrence. And often time they may surrender so that they may retreat, regroup and fight again. But they would not in the middle of a battle up and turn and flee.

I think that bursts of gunpowder and fire and musket fire would cause a group of Vikings to perhaps make them surrender, as would the raising of a flag that literally says "if you fight, you die." As would the fact that this Vikings would have never seen ANYTHING like this before, it might just frighten them. Maybe.

They might surrender, but not run away forever, soon they will realize the power of gunpowder and not fear it.

They will still fear the shot! :D
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby Meliva » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:59 am

Jack Roberts wrote:
Meliva wrote:yes, a few times they surrendered. Though that is a rare occurrence. And often time they may surrender so that they may retreat, regroup and fight again. But they would not in the middle of a battle up and turn and flee.

I think that bursts of gunpowder and fire and musket fire would cause a group of Vikings to perhaps make them surrender, as would the raising of a flag that literally says "if you fight, you die." As would the fact that this Vikings would have never seen ANYTHING like this before, it might just frighten them. Maybe.


Again depending on where this fight happens would largely affect the outcome. At sea perhaps the Vikings might surrender due to cannons. But the pirates wouldn't get anything out of attacking them unless they were returning from a raid. If this fight happens on land, the Vikings might be confused when muskets hit them, but would probably keep fighting and figure out what those weapons were afterwards. And like Space said-eventually the Vikings would come to understand the properties and uses of gunpowder and cannons. They would then begin to adapt and learn how to combat it, and use it in their own raids. Take the native americans for example-at first gunpowder and guns were probably something they viewed as magical weapons, but over time they learned through fighting and raids how to use them as well, and realized it was just an advanced weapon-nothing magical or godly at all.
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby Jack Teach » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:16 am

Meliva wrote:
Jack Roberts wrote:
Meliva wrote:yes, a few times they surrendered. Though that is a rare occurrence. And often time they may surrender so that they may retreat, regroup and fight again. But they would not in the middle of a battle up and turn and flee.

I think that bursts of gunpowder and fire and musket fire would cause a group of Vikings to perhaps make them surrender, as would the raising of a flag that literally says "if you fight, you die." As would the fact that this Vikings would have never seen ANYTHING like this before, it might just frighten them. Maybe.


Again depending on where this fight happens would largely affect the outcome. At sea perhaps the Vikings might surrender due to cannons. But the pirates wouldn't get anything out of attacking them unless they were returning from a raid. If this fight happens on land, the Vikings might be confused when muskets hit them, but would probably keep fighting and figure out what those weapons were afterwards. And like Space said-eventually the Vikings would come to understand the properties and uses of gunpowder and cannons. They would then begin to adapt and learn how to combat it, and use it in their own raids. Take the native americans for example-at first gunpowder and guns were probably something they viewed as magical weapons, but over time they learned through fighting and raids how to use them as well, and realized it was just an advanced weapon-nothing magical or godly at all.

True. I think that on land, in most cases, the Vikings would win, whilst at sea, pirates would almost always win.
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby Zephore » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:17 am

Meliva wrote:same goes with Vikings. But from what I recall they would often light themselves on fire just before raiding, though that may be myth. But if it is true I imagine most pirates would be quite frightened and shocked thinking demons were attacking them. Which would impact their aim, maybe cause some to flee. And pistols at the time were not multi shot, most pirates would have to carry multiple pistols. And I imagine since Vikings only fought with melee weapons the average Viking would be a better melee fighter then the average pirate who would normally fight with cannons first, then pistols then swords. So at the end of the day I would say Vikings would have the edge on a land battle, pirates the edge at sea.
no fire, just strength, small (but heavy ) axes, and huge ass shields. Lots of shouting and weapon swinging to demoralise the enemy, and the almighty shield wall.

However, they did worship fire. They believed it protected them from revenge of their evil in the afterlife. So, a Viking funeral; the dead were put in the boat with their belongings - boat for pushed out and set on fire.

Then they had human sacrifices - burned their slaves. (This... Was also some belief of protection)
They thought their enemies (who also got burned) recieved a huge honour. And then they just had a thing for burning villages, churches, castles, whatever they came across.
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Re: Thriving markets

Postby Zephore » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:40 am

Meliva wrote:
Jack Roberts wrote:
Meliva wrote:yes, a few times they surrendered. Though that is a rare occurrence. And often time they may surrender so that they may retreat, regroup and fight again. But they would not in the middle of a battle up and turn and flee.

I think that bursts of gunpowder and fire and musket fire would cause a group of Vikings to perhaps make them surrender, as would the raising of a flag that literally says "if you fight, you die." As would the fact that this Vikings would have never seen ANYTHING like this before, it might just frighten them. Maybe.


Again depending on where this fight happens would largely affect the outcome. At sea perhaps the Vikings might surrender due to cannons. But the pirates wouldn't get anything out of attacking them unless they were returning from a raid. If this fight happens on land, the Vikings might be confused when muskets hit them, but would probably keep fighting and figure out what those weapons were afterwards. And like Space said-eventually the Vikings would come to understand the properties and uses of gunpowder and cannons. They would then begin to adapt and learn how to combat it, and use it in their own raids. Take the native americans for example-at first gunpowder and guns were probably something they viewed as magical weapons, but over time they learned through fighting and raids how to use them as well, and realized it was just an advanced weapon-nothing magical or godly at all.


The Vikings ships were light and fast - they'd have to remodel their ships to be able to maintain the same speed as before - not saying they ain't able to.
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