VUDU vs MERC - Official War Declaration

[Shadowood]

I offered something similar PHX (minus the gold and credits thing. I’m broke)

I told PP he needed to trust us and that if dman broke the ceasefire i would kick him. (As dman and xPROx is his main concern here)

He apparently didn’t like that either.

[PhoenixKnight]

@Pullpop, could you walk me through your logic on rejecting the investigation please?
Personally, I feel this war went a bit too long over the action of 2 players.

[sXs]

If I may offer an alternative.

Shadowood doesn’t step down as guild leader.

If dman helps xpro, MERC will notify VUDU guildmaster Shadowood with a notice of intention of action with proof 24 hours in advance, thus allowing Shadowood to investigate the legitimacy of the claim.
If Shadowood determines that MERC has valid claims, VUDU sits back for retaliation for a period that is a minimum of 24 hours and no more than 72 hours.
If Shadowood disagrees with the validity of the claim, both sides seek mediation with a neutral third party with hopes of resolution for a period of 48 hours.
Should mediation fails, MERC is entitled to attack with expectation of VUDU backing dman for a period that lasts a minimum of 24 hours and does not exceed 72 hours. After that, a cease fire ensues and neither side has the right to complain about damages from the incident.

Violation of the agreement merits 100 million gc penalty and 1000 credits due paid by the violator to the other party of the agreement

Out of respect sir,this will not work. You are placing restrictions on a single member of a guild on one side of this conflict. It would seem akin to asking Merc to disclose any contractual actions they take on behalf of a third party and give 24 hour notice before they take those actions.

How is dman helping PRO, or PRO helping dman. any different than Merc helping a third party through contractual arrangements? The only way this would be agreed to is if Merc agrees to discloise all contractual actions they take on behalf of a third party.

[Haron]

I appreciate your effort to mediate, Phoenix. However, I suggest this should happen outside the forum. The forum is not the right place for negotiations.

Nor should negotiations be discussed here. Even in a distorted form. It makes future negotiations unnecessarily much harder.

Rather than Shadowood's post, a comment from T'zak Ryn would have looked something like this:

"Peace talks between VUDU and T'zak Ryn have not produced any results, and the war continues. There is hope that negotiations will continue at a later date".

[PhoenixKnight]

The difference is accountability Fenkis.
MERC takes contracts with the expectation that they will be retaliated against as a guild.
As I understand it, this is not how VUDU operates and you have a different set of rules.
If VUDU wants to stand by Dman regardless of the action, that should be fine.

What we can do in that case is simple time limit for guild war. 24-72 hours should suffice

[sXs]

I appreciate your effort to mediate, Phoenix. However, I suggest this should happen outside the forum. The forum is not the right place for negotiations.

Nor should negotiations be discussed here. Even in a distorted form. It makes future negotiations unnecessarily much harder.

Rather than Shadowood's post, a comment from T'zak Ryn would have looked something like this:

"Peace talks between VUDU and T'zak Ryn have not produced any results, and the war continues. There is hope that negotiations will continue at a later date".

Once again, out of respect Haron..... If you were to speak for Merc, yes i agree, but Pulpop has neither the political acumen or the humility to make that type of announcement.

[Shadowood]

Very nice wording Haron.

Merc should put you back in charge. This thing would have never started in the first place

Sadly I am forced to voice my concerns when clearly PP doesn’t want to be democratic about a simple ceasefire

[PhoenixKnight]

If both parties would agree to me mediating a cease fire, I would be happy to receive both sides terms and help bridge the gaps via PM

[sXs]

The difference is accountability Fenkis.
MERC takes contracts with the expectation that they will be retaliated against as a guild.
As I understand it, this is not how VUDU operates and you have a different set of rules.
If VUDU wants to stand by Dman regardless of the action, that should be fine.

What we can do in that case is simple time limit for guild war. 24-72 hours should suffice

I see no difference sir. guild action is guild action. I am sure that whether dman helped pro or pro helped dman, he also expected retaliation much like merc does. But merc pushed it to ancillary targets because ccertain members of merc could not find a way to retaliate. dman fully acknowledged his actions and did not back down, nor did he request help. Merc expanded this to include the full guild simply because we cast a few clearing cards here and there.

unless similar restrictions are placed on both parties, it is one sided.

[Shadowood]

If both parties would agree to me mediating a cease fire, I would be happy to receive both sides terms and help bridge the gaps via PM

Don’t know how much simpler it is then this.

30 day ceasefire.
No voodoo
Plunder board hits are ok
If caught casting undercover or port voodoo ceasefire is off and you are publicly branded a liar

Any member casting during the ceasefire is to be removed from guild immediately

Plain and simple. But you know. There is that trust thing. SMH