Port Blockades (Large)

[Sebena]

Why do you see the odds fixed? I see two buffs for attackers:
1)They get to know when the attack will be
2)They get the buff to be able to add ships up to the last moment.

The 1) can be countered; defenders need to prepare. But let's accept this as a buff.
The 2) can be changed; we can equally stop both from putting fleets at the same time (till 4 hours before battle ends).

What else is one sided or fixed. Let's stick to this because I really want to understand what you are trying to tell but I am failing so far and I need your help to understand.

Entire reward system attackers get money from toll or how ever they put it what defenders get free port for what cost? Nation won't bother defend no matter how you set pwnality either by honor points or by influence or even population. So this all comes to nice way of forcing people to buy credits with real money soneine needs to supply cards because any penalty mentioned now can be replaced with cards easily.

Why would attacker get money and chance of capturing ships after blockade and defender get free port? With this set up it will be another addition interessting for first few days

[Most Lee Harmless]

Odds being fixed just mean the outcome is favorable to the one side or the other : in a casino, the odds favor the house, it will always win, be it slot machine or roulette wheel. In this case, we have two outcomes : attacker risks much, wins : gains a little coin : loses, doesnt gain any coin. Defender risks much, wins, gains nothing but pride, loses and they can loses lots of coins (if influence loss gets included). The attacker might win and thus gain, the defender will never win, just have the same expenses in defeat or victory.

That is skewed, in my opinion : both should risk much, both should stand to gain much : otherwise, its just a gold-sinker with pretty baubles as prizes and frankly we have enough of them already.

[Most Lee Harmless]

If I understand right, Woflie and Danik want to see "profit" made by the defenders for being successful.

Defenders already enjoy the profit every day they own the port. If they want to keep enjoying it, they'll make the effort to do so. Their is little to no profit in most wars, and defenders even less. Defending is just that, "Defend" and "Keep" what is yours. It has motive in preventing loss.

Attacking is to take, hence the profit. Want to earn some, while your enemies have a blockade attempt running, instead of defending go start a blockade in their port or ports and take from them.


I agree the small loss on port income from trade is not a high enough motivation to defend in order to keep, so maybe some better "incentive" but profit for defending? That's ridiculous.

So, if you are attacked at sea, and win the battle, the defender should not get any plunder from their attacker? If you are skirmished, and win, you should not 'profit' from that either? if you blockade my port, and I send out my fleets and defeat you, what, you just sail away, unmolested? How real is that? No, I would take your ships, imprison your crew, and have your ships pay-chests sent to my vaults. And if the attackers won, why, they would cut out my finest war ships for themselves and rightly so.
One of the greatest sea battles, with enormous losses for the defeated, was the attempt to break the British blockade which ended up at Trafalgar. The last major sea battle was also an attempt to break a blockade, that was Jutland, with horrendous loss in life and ships. So, lets have a dose of reality here..

[Sebena]

Defenders already enjoy the profit every day they own the port. If they want to keep enjoying it, they'll make the effort to do so. Their is little to no profit in most wars, and defenders even less. Defending is just that, "Defend" and "Keep" what is yours. It has motive in preventing loss.

I wouldn't defend my port from blockade I would just reroute and say screw others why would I care about spain or SKN merchants doing trades in that port it is their problem so don't assume like everyone else that nation will defend their ports because it is just too costly to defend while getting nothing in return worth of the risk which is presented to me.

[Vane]

So why own the port? NPC tax and trade, several ports see million of revenue a day from trade. If your blockaded indefinitely why own it at all?

I think nations will want to keep their profit or they'll let the port go eventually. Thus tying blockades into port ownership.

[Sebena]

So why own the port? NPC tax and trade, several ports see million of revenue a day from trade. If your blockaded indefinitely why own it at all?

I think nations will want to keep their profit or they'll let the port go eventually. Thus tying blockades into port ownership.

Trade income to nation is small to the point where nations don't care about it... it sure is important to spain and SKN since they can ravenue huge incomes that way, for bonaire earning in it is small where we won't bother defending that income. So entire argument of trade tax income as a reason for nation risking big ships to defend is futile

[Vane]

Futile to Bonaire perhaps, but not others.. as you just stated.

[Sebena]

Futile to Bonaire perhaps, but not others.. as you just stated.

Would you defend port in this system? or you would just reroute? Also if Spain or SKN pirt is blocked they will probbably leave it because they have other ports for that income so better said noone not small or big nations have reason to defend

[Mack]

I would think the attackers are in the mindset, all or nothing since they are sailing into hell.. and in that case all would be lost by the attackers when an attack is failed. Everything at sea bottom. Just my thoughts

[Vane]

Futile to Bonaire perhaps, but not others.. as you just stated.

Would you defend port in this system? or you would just reroute? Also if Spain or SKN pirt is blocked they will probbably leave it because they have other ports for that income so better said noone not small or big nations have reason to defend

If a nation does not defend the port, the merchants using it as say a party port and one they have invested a lot into to increase their warehouse size may perhaps seek to see it controlled by a different nation. One that will protect it and they can continue their trade. Back door politics and funding new ownership will become even more necessary.

If you want more reason to defend, and claim the profits are small as it is, perhaps a larger tax on goods is to be added, one which is lost entirely when trade is blockaded.