UK official declaration of War

[DezNutz]

sorry skipped that I am not here to read unabridged versions just send me the cliffnotes

That was the CliffNotes version.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Then i refuse to read it.

[PhoenixKnight]

Phoenix, I respect you like few others in this game but what if this were St Kitts that this had happened too. Would you still think the same.

99% of your population gone in all your ports...daily attacks on influence and then you find out something like this.

That has happened before actually. VUDU and MERC at the time were the prime suspects but we acted on neither

[sXs]

We tried to move on abd fix the issue.....last count was over 300 TIs cast and look at our populaion. raise our influence even the slightest and it gets dropped again. We are not denying other nations got hit as well, but no one nation has been hit even remotely as hard as we have.

Hence, any action we see against us now will get a response. Not accusing USA of all of the attacks we have endured, but we know recent attacks have come from USA. Whether or not they were USA sanctioned by a council vote does not matter. Some were carried out by USA council members..... or "the council within the council" that we have heard about a few times now.

You can call it all BS if you like but have heard it from several former USA members. Maybe they are blowing smoke up our proverbial arse, but then again maybe you should conduct all business out in the open for all citizens to see.

[Dmanwuzhere]

We tried to move on abd fix the issue.....last count was over 300 TIs cast and look at our populaion. raise our influence even the slightest and it gets dropped again. We are not denying other nations got hit as well, but no one nation has been hit even remotely as hard as we have.

Hence, any action we see against us now will get a response. Not accusing USA of all of the attacks we have endured, but we know recent attacks have come from USA. Whether or not they were USA sanctioned by a council vote does not matter. Some were carried out by USA council members..... or "the council within the council" that we have heard about a few times now.

You can call it all BS if you like but have heard it from several former USA members. Maybe they are blowing smoke up our proverbial arse, but then again maybe you should conduct all business out in the open for all citizens to see.

you can add another 120+ to that ti count as I did not turn them in to the uk for pay and would not as it was one of my famous personal choices lol but that day I cast 156 tis and burned more turns than it was worth but I enjoyed it and burned a little frustration by smirking with each cast lol

[sXs]

We tried to move on abd fix the issue.....last count was over 300 TIs cast and look at our populaion. raise our influence even the slightest and it gets dropped again. We are not denying other nations got hit as well, but no one nation has been hit even remotely as hard as we have.

Hence, any action we see against us now will get a response. Not accusing USA of all of the attacks we have endured, but we know recent attacks have come from USA. Whether or not they were USA sanctioned by a council vote does not matter. Some were carried out by USA council members..... or "the council within the council" that we have heard about a few times now.

You can call it all BS if you like but have heard it from several former USA members. Maybe they are blowing smoke up our proverbial arse, but then again maybe you should conduct all business out in the open for all citizens to see.

you can add another 120+ to that ti count as I did not turn them in to the uk for pay and would not as it was one of my famous personal choices lol but that day I cast 156 tis and burned more turns than it was worth but I enjoyed it and burned a little frustration by smirking with each cast lol

I was being very conservative on the total for fear of being accused of exaggerating. I know I have cast 120 plus myself as well. 80 in the last week.

[DezNutz]

We tried to move on abd fix the issue.....last count was over 300 TIs cast and look at our populaion. raise our influence even the slightest and it gets dropped again. We are not denying other nations got hit as well, but no one nation has been hit even remotely as hard as we have.

Hence, any action we see against us now will get a response. Not accusing USA of all of the attacks we have endured, but we know recent attacks have come from USA. Whether or not they were USA sanctioned by a council vote does not matter. Some were carried out by USA council members..... or "the council within the council" that we have heard about a few times now.

You can call it all BS if you like but have heard it from several former USA members. Maybe they are blowing smoke up our proverbial arse, but then again maybe you should conduct all business out in the open for all citizens to see.

I get it that the UK was hit hard and harder then the others. It sucks tremendously.

You were told by several former USA members. Ok, who and what did they say. You can send it via PM if you want. And being as it is recently and it was undercover voodoo attacks, how would they know what some other council/nation member cast. Do they have copies of their voodoo logs? Are you seeing where I am going with this? I am hoping I don't have to explain this further.

I would love for someone to chime in on this one, but I'll just ask Guildmasters and other Nations, do you think it is wise to leave all of your guild and nation business open to anyone to see, so that another nation or guild can just plant a spy at the base level and have access to all of your nations information, plans, and strategies. I'm actually pretty sure there exists a suggestion for this exact issue specifically for guilds, because unlike nations who can restrict topics to be seen by players of a certain rank or higher, guilds cannot.

The USA conducts it's business in the open for Nobles and up. If you haven't completed nation missions to that point (that would be rank of Baron), you aren't going to see our "open discussion". Spies will still occur, but it makes the spy have to work through the nation missions. Still don't understand why this is a problem for some.

[sXs]

We tried to move on abd fix the issue.....last count was over 300 TIs cast and look at our populaion. raise our influence even the slightest and it gets dropped again. We are not denying other nations got hit as well, but no one nation has been hit even remotely as hard as we have.

Hence, any action we see against us now will get a response. Not accusing USA of all of the attacks we have endured, but we know recent attacks have come from USA. Whether or not they were USA sanctioned by a council vote does not matter. Some were carried out by USA council members..... or "the council within the council" that we have heard about a few times now.

You can call it all BS if you like but have heard it from several former USA members. Maybe they are blowing smoke up our proverbial arse, but then again maybe you should conduct all business out in the open for all citizens to see.

I get it that the UK was hit hard and harder then the others. It sucks tremendously.

You were told by several former USA members. Ok, who and what did they say. You can send it via PM if you want. And being as it is recently and it was undercover voodoo attacks, how would they know what some other council/nation member cast. Do they have copies of their voodoo logs? Are you seeing where I am going with this? I am hoping I don't have to explain this further.

I would love for someone to chime in on this one, but I'll just ask Guildmasters and other Nations, do you think it is wise to leave all of your guild and nation business open to anyone to see, so that another nation or guild can just plant a spy at the base level and have access to all of your nations information, plans, and strategies. I'm actually pretty sure there exists a suggestion for this exact issue specifically for guilds, because unlike nations who can restrict topics to be seen by players of a certain rank or higher, guilds cannot.

The USA conducts it's business in the open for Nobles and up. If you haven't completed nation missions to that point (that would be rank of Baron), you aren't going to see our "open discussion". Spies will still occur, but it makes the spy have to work through the nation missions. Still don't understand why this is a problem for some.

If those former members wish to come forward, they will. I will not be the one to "unmask" them. Yes some business should be kept in council hands, but then again some of USA business is conducted outside of even the council room.

Second point, I never said anything about undercover attacks. Why would you assume that? Maybe because USA HAS cast cards undercover? Things getting even more interesting. In fact the attacks I was referencing, I specifically said were props that were cast were not undercover. Probably because i have been manipulating my fame in order to catch the bastards.

Keep talking and digging the hole deeper.

[DezNutz]

We tried to move on abd fix the issue.....last count was over 300 TIs cast and look at our populaion. raise our influence even the slightest and it gets dropped again. We are not denying other nations got hit as well, but no one nation has been hit even remotely as hard as we have.

Hence, any action we see against us now will get a response. Not accusing USA of all of the attacks we have endured, but we know recent attacks have come from USA. Whether or not they were USA sanctioned by a council vote does not matter. Some were carried out by USA council members..... or "the council within the council" that we have heard about a few times now.

You can call it all BS if you like but have heard it from several former USA members. Maybe they are blowing smoke up our proverbial arse, but then again maybe you should conduct all business out in the open for all citizens to see.

I get it that the UK was hit hard and harder then the others. It sucks tremendously.

You were told by several former USA members. Ok, who and what did they say. You can send it via PM if you want. And being as it is recently and it was undercover voodoo attacks, how would they know what some other council/nation member cast. Do they have copies of their voodoo logs? Are you seeing where I am going with this? I am hoping I don't have to explain this further.

I would love for someone to chime in on this one, but I'll just ask Guildmasters and other Nations, do you think it is wise to leave all of your guild and nation business open to anyone to see, so that another nation or guild can just plant a spy at the base level and have access to all of your nations information, plans, and strategies. I'm actually pretty sure there exists a suggestion for this exact issue specifically for guilds, because unlike nations who can restrict topics to be seen by players of a certain rank or higher, guilds cannot.

The USA conducts it's business in the open for Nobles and up. If you haven't completed nation missions to that point (that would be rank of Baron), you aren't going to see our "open discussion". Spies will still occur, but it makes the spy have to work through the nation missions. Still don't understand why this is a problem for some.

If those former members wish to come forward, they will. I will not be the one to "unmask" them. Yes some business should be kept in council hands, but then again some of USA business is conducted outside of even the council room.

Second point, I never said anything about undercover attacks. Why would you assume that? Maybe because USA HAS cast cards undercover? Things getting even more interesting. In fact the attacks I was referencing, I specifically said were props that were cast were not undercover. Probably because i have been manipulating my fame in order to catch the bastards.

Keep talking and digging the hole deeper.

If it wasn't undercover attacks, you would know absolutely who it was because it wouldn't be undercover. We wouldn't need the word of someone else to tell you about it.

[Banger]

We tried to move on abd fix the issue.....last count was over 300 TIs cast and look at our populaion. raise our influence even the slightest and it gets dropped again. We are not denying other nations got hit as well, but no one nation has been hit even remotely as hard as we have.

Hence, any action we see against us now will get a response. Not accusing USA of all of the attacks we have endured, but we know recent attacks have come from USA. Whether or not they were USA sanctioned by a council vote does not matter. Some were carried out by USA council members..... or "the council within the council" that we have heard about a few times now.

You can call it all BS if you like but have heard it from several former USA members. Maybe they are blowing smoke up our proverbial arse, but then again maybe you should conduct all business out in the open for all citizens to see.

I get it that the UK was hit hard and harder then the others. It sucks tremendously.

You were told by several former USA members. Ok, who and what did they say. You can send it via PM if you want. And being as it is recently and it was undercover voodoo attacks, how would they know what some other council/nation member cast. Do they have copies of their voodoo logs? Are you seeing where I am going with this? I am hoping I don't have to explain this further.

I would love for someone to chime in on this one, but I'll just ask Guildmasters and other Nations, do you think it is wise to leave all of your guild and nation business open to anyone to see, so that another nation or guild can just plant a spy at the base level and have access to all of your nations information, plans, and strategies. I'm actually pretty sure there exists a suggestion for this exact issue specifically for guilds, because unlike nations who can restrict topics to be seen by players of a certain rank or higher, guilds cannot.

The USA conducts it's business in the open for Nobles and up. If you haven't completed nation missions to that point (that would be rank of Baron), you aren't going to see our "open discussion". Spies will still occur, but it makes the spy have to work through the nation missions. Still don't understand why this is a problem for some.

First off, I don't care how the US conducts it's business. Secondly, I don't have to provide any intel. Do you think Iraq was like, "Hey USA, we need the Intel you have to justify why you are attacking us."? Nope. It has come up once or twice and I am sure it will come up again. We felt we had enough information to pursue action. IF by chance it wasn't the USA then consider yourself the scapegoat being used to send a message. We are absolutely tired of being screwed with and now that it has come to a point where are ports are basically garbage it's time to draw the line in the sand. Enough is enough and now is the time to stand up for ourselves.