UK official declaration of War

[Xxmontyxx]

I am trying to hose the fire down .... not escalate it ...I am still in recovery from previous port wars Ive been exposed to & my port was fine until it got dragged into this a short while ago

[Meliva]

I rather dislike how some players target those who are simply affiliated with an enemy, even if said affiliates have done nothing to provoke them.
Also monty don't be too prideful to ask for help if you need it, I'm sure your teammates in VUDU would help you, and ill lend a hand to ya if you want, so long as you were not the aggressor.

[sXs]

Conspiracy and Propaganda cards affect influence which is a nation mechanic. It affects a nations ability to hold a port, therefore they are nation actions. Yes propaganda only affect a single person but the affect is the same on the nation. I see your point but disagree completely.

Feniks, with all due respect, no one can control at this point in the game who joins or leaves a country. I can join UK today and attack Spain with Propaganda, conspiracy and black death. If UK were to be held accountable for my actions then you are correct. The thing is, UK would not be accountable in this scenario, hence, I feel that the logic is potentially flawed.

I do understand that you are saying that someone carrying the USA nationality is responsible, however you cannot hold everyone responsible.

May I also point out that so far as I read, it is nearly all Dukes who are in VUDU making the accusations. I have not heard an official statement from your Ben Scarlett who was the king of UK till the last update. In fact, I see no post by anyone in the council of UK but the 3 VUDU members.

Is it possible that this whole is a plot from the 3 VUDU members who are looking for some additional action?

VUDU was not attacked, UK was attacked. yes most of the council is VUDU, but as i have stated in other forum topics, VUDU action and UK actions are completely separate.

Put it in context of what has happened to UK. 4 billion population lost. every time we add it is immediately dropped again. Daily influence hits. Then after Vanes proclamation in forums, someone casts props, but this time not undercover because of a change in fame. Those Propaganda cost another 7 mill influence. Then on top of that we get information that said nation, or at least some of their COUNCIL members are planning port actions.

I initially let the propaganda slide. I contacted Dez and told him about them saying in light of everything going on it would be in their interest to address it. I let it go for nearly 3 weeks. Then we find out the other things going on.

Yes I do hold them as a nation directly responsible for the actions of their citizens.

I look at it this way. To take a port away from a nation requires dropping the influence of its citizens in that port, raising your own nations influence in that port or a combination of both. This is done with the stated cards. Therefore the casting of those cards is a port action hostile towards a nation as a whole. ie nation v nation action.

[Xxmontyxx]

I rather dislike how some players target those who are simply affiliated with an enemy, even if said affiliates have done nothing to provoke them.
Also monty don't be too prideful to ask for help if you need it, I'm sure your teammates in VUDU would help you, and ill lend a hand to ya if you want, so long as you were not the aggressor.

i dont automatically hold the USA accountabile for the very recent attack on influence in St Martins either ....as we've seen before this could be any agent provocateur seeking to use the current unrest to further their own ends ... So for my part I will not be retaliating against anyone for this cowardly act

[Banger]

Conspiracy and Propaganda cards affect influence which is a nation mechanic. It affects a nations ability to hold a port, therefore they are nation actions. Yes propaganda only affect a single person but the affect is the same on the nation. I see your point but disagree completely.

Feniks, with all due respect, no one can control at this point in the game who joins or leaves a country. I can join UK today and attack Spain with Propaganda, conspiracy and black death. If UK were to be held accountable for my actions then you are correct. The thing is, UK would not be accountable in this scenario, hence, I feel that the logic is potentially flawed.

I do understand that you are saying that someone carrying the USA nationality is responsible, however you cannot hold everyone responsible.

May I also point out that so far as I read, it is nearly all Dukes who are in VUDU making the accusations. I have not heard an official statement from your Ben Scarlett who was the king of UK till the last update. In fact, I see no post by anyone in the council of UK but the 3 VUDU members.

Is it possible that this whole is a plot from the 3 VUDU members who are looking for some additional action?

Ben is very ill IRL, like very ill. He will not be responding I highly doubt. He has entrusted us to do what we see as the best course of action to protect the interests of the UK. I will honor the wishes of my sick King and make sure that he has something to come back to and that we do not continue to take attacks against our port just because people got their panties in a twist because several of us our privateers and pirates.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I am just curious why all the intervention, every port takeover or scrap I have been in over a port has never brought people who were trying to reason a solution on my behalf. How does this port action differ from any other?

[Xxmontyxx]

I am just curious why all the intervention, every port takeover or scrap I have been in over a port has never brought people who were trying to reason a solution on my behalf. How does this port action differ from any other?

because Ben is and has been extremely ill - the port & crown of UK were gifted to him by Vane - i think most of us would agree it would nice if at least if he did have something to come back to when he logs back on ...as feniks has said him self his very recent port action of Gorum was taken by one player alone - I would gladly relinquish my port if it meant Ben would keep his unharrassed

[Banger]

I am just curious why all the intervention, every port takeover or scrap I have been in over a port has never brought people who were trying to reason a solution on my behalf. How does this port action differ from any other?

I am a bit curious of this as well. No one came to our aid when our ports were dismantled, why so quick to come to the USAs aid?

[Dmanwuzhere]

I am just curious why all the intervention, every port takeover or scrap I have been in over a port has never brought people who were trying to reason a solution on my behalf. How does this port action differ from any other?

because Ben is and has been extremely ill - the port & crown of UK were gifted to him by Vane - i think most of us would agree it would nice if at least if he did have something to come back to when he logs back on ...as feniks has said him self his very recent port action of Gorum was taken by one player alone - I would gladly relinquish my port if it meant Ben would keep his unharrassed

Yeah i get that but no one was arguing semantics on behalf of the uk when they were under fire is my point, so I dont understand people arguing on the us behalf now lol

[Xxmontyxx]

me either ...but then that's Pirates Glory for you ...