Dos and Dez

[DezNutz]

I will ask both the members of USA and Taylor to do a ceasefire on Voodoo for the next 24 hours.

Same goes to the nation posts made by Taylor, stop posting (Both sides).

I would greatly appreciate, if you all gave me a chance. This can still be sorted.

The nation forums issues has been resolved. Admins have cleaned it up.

I will ceasefire per your request, although I wasn't planning on wasting any when there are no ships to hit.

I have messaged DoS to hold off as well.

[Admiral Nelson]

Ahoy there,

So yesterday I made a post saying I will talk about how I feel about this. I will be talking about both USA's actions and Taylors actions so far, what could of been handled better and what needs to be done.

The first thing I will talk about is something I feel has been lost with some players and that is respect. Respect to the human being behind the keyboard. I am not talking about Taylor or USA now by themselves, but players in Pirates Glory. As it is so easy to class someone as a "Pay to win" or "trash" but you can disagree with what a person has done and still respect them. As when you are calling them "trash" or a "Pay to win" you are basically "Identifying" them as something there not, in a way dehumizing them.

Now I will go onto talk about the USA. When it comes to the USA, I feel like a number of things could have been handled better now I am not saying they did everything wrong, nor that they were wrong in there doing by casting on Taylor. Now the first thing I would like to say is the miscommunication if I am right, USA was going to give Taylor a payment. However did not tell her a payment would be coming thus why I think the communication was somewhat at an disadvantage. Another thing I felt that could of been handled better is the spam control of Taylor, when United States of America council saw her posts no matter how disrespectful they was they should of just ignored it. Do not feed the 'troll' I believe the saying goes. (No disrespect to Taylor - I am mearly saying more you feed someone, more they will respond with). Now the final thing I feel that has been dealt wrong is the casting done by their part - They declared to me they are angry and they might cast on her. I never expected what I saw, they cast over 34 Voodoo Cards on Taylor, now for people that do not want someone to quit this is strange - As this is the voodoo of how people quit.

Now, since I do not want to be one sided I will talk about what I feel, mistakes that Taylor made that I believe were bad. The first one which I have discussed with her is talking about Malachi Constant and why he left, for those that do not know - she said Malachi had quit because of them. Of which I have talked about to her, comparing it to a situation like " What if someone talked about me in a bad way like you have Malachi?" Of which I think she understands. However, whether she does is up to her. Another thing I flet like Taylor had done somewhat incorrect is expecting a payment just like this, I did tell her that Players like Deznuts has been there much longer then her and spent more. I felt like she could of waiting a matter of weeks and if she did not recieve a payment, then make the 'issue' be heard to the council. However again, I can understand what Taylor did - As Feniks said, what she did was a lot to her (And outstanding to me, shows her willingness to help a nation out).I could say wanting a payment is bad, but its not since the players who contributed to help the nation get back a port are getting money - I see no reason for her not to get a slice of the pie, too. Since I have discussed 3 things what USA did poorly. I will discuss the third thing I think Taylor did wrong, which was pushing the buttons more aka replying to Deznuts reply's. Again do not feed the troll (Not meant in a hostile way towards Deznuts, but a saying again).

Now here is what I think should be done:
- I would like an apology from USA itself to Taylor for the miscommunication and maybe the overboard with Voodoo.
- I would like Taylor to apologize to the USA members for bringing up Malachis name in a 'bad' manner (Offensive to players like Deznuts who were friends with Malachi.)
- I do not expect USA to pay for Taylor, however I am willing to give her 50 Million to pay for what she cast.
- I would say Taylor edit her posts, but if Admin has been in the nation forums chances are they are already edit - So no need be.

There is another 2 possibilitys:
- Either Taylor stays in the USA after apologizing and continue serving like nothing bad happened (As she was a great player before, obviously as she helped towards the port crysis)
- Or Taylor leaves the USA and never talks to the USA members again (Unless of course, she is friends with some of them)

I hope I offend no one with this statement, this is my belief about this situation from a guildmasters point of few.

Admiral Nelson,
Stepping up as guild leader.

[Admiral Nelson]

I now would like Taylor, and those involved with this 'carnage' in the USA to speak up to what they expect sincerly. Please be respectful to each other, like I have tried to been to both sides.

[DezNutz]

First I would like to say, that I had apologized on behalf of the council for failing to provide insight and discussion on the topic of restitutions in the first response to her complaint. First response was 17 minutes after she posted her complaint.

xxTaylorxx,

You are right to post notice of discontent and question actions that you were not included on. We should have posted a open discussion to explain. That is our fault as Council Leaders and we apologize for not providing insight after issues have been discussed and decided from a council perspective.

As for the voodoo, the USA as whole will not apologize for this. This was unilateral action taken initially by me.

I sent the following message to every US Council Member once I had cast my 11 total voodoo casts against Taylor.

This is to inform you that I, DezNutz, have taken unilateral action against xxTaylorxx for the comments directed towards Malachi in the Nation Forums. I do not expect nor am I asking for any other council members to assist. If they do, it is their own decision. I will not hold a grudge against any Council Member if they do not support my decision.

I am not apologizing for the 11 Voodoo I cast, nor for any additional voodoo cast by DoS. Any excessiveness was negated when Taylor had some of her friends cast multiple Black Deaths and Conspiracies on both US Ports. A fact backed up by her own admissions in the forums.

Now that being said, I'm willing to move on, as I am not in the business of destroying players to the point to which they leave the game.

As hostilities were initiated by me, these are the only two scenarios moving forward that will end hostilities:

1) Taylor can leave the US, at which all hostilities will cease.

2) Taylor can stay in the US. Hostility will cease upon a sincere apology to the Nation as a whole for the disrespect shown specifically with regards to comments in reference to Malachi Constant. I myself do not want an apology, and will reject any apology that includes myself or lacks sincerity. If this is met, the nation and I will treat this situation as if it never happened. Taylor will be entitled to restitutions of 35M* which will be paid by me, no later than 10 days from the time hostility ends. Additional, I will provide up to a 15M gc loan, at 0.5% interest for her to rebuild.

*The 35M restitution amount is based on the relative amount of influence she still had after Goroum was retaken compared to the 40M she spent.

[xxTaaaaylorxx]

I feel first of all the U.S. should not have sent Dez to me for any type of public relations issue. He likes to try and say one thing while using what he says to communicate another feeling entirely.
Secondly I would have taken the loss entirely without a word said until others who get a stipend of 1 million a day started getting paid.
Simply put, it was stated some has paid 100 mil or more and and my 40m plus voodoo just did not really matter.
Now I feel since we have had 90 days of peace those who payed a 100m should have been paid 90m by our nation.
Pitch 10 million in and you have your defense funds. The nation almost paid it's own defense in that case.
I make 100k a day so 9 million in 90 days if you go by the percentages I paid more of the burden with less nation help.
But that was not the real issue, I had posted what I spent and provided proof of voodoo cast before the payouts started
yet only nobles up were to receive a payout. Once I started making my amount an issue thats when Dez came.

Basically it was decided by Dez he would pay me more than half of his 50m payout. That might have been that except for a couple things.
He had stated to me his intentions and stated in a topic I "could not see" the opposite of what he told me.
And I did not like it being insinuated I was greedy, lying, and was basically useless in the defense of our nation.

Now by this point I had listed everything the U.S. had done and been doing wrong in my opinion.
As there is no disclosure for actions merely a vote
without explanation to those under the noble only cloud.
In forum posts other than ranking of people in our forums some of the latest posts were 72 days ago or more.
I aired every complaint I had and then it was stated I was just causing trouble and people decided I was being disrespectful.
But the truth is, nothing I said was wrong in that respect because I am a citizen of the US and I can tell you what I see and how I see it.
Because someone is a noble it does not mean they are instantly right and if you listen to complaints with your ego intact
then you shouldn't be trying to air out nation issues.
As for Malachai he was in charge and I knew no one and I reached out to him when I had questions and he would help.
Sometimes he was to busy to go in full detail he would explain that and as soon as he had a moment he would be there
helping me understand or advising me on things.
That led to a decent friendship that sometimes let him air out his frustrations so I took some of his words and started forming my opinions
to them and when I voiced them Some people got upset.
In retrospect I probably should not have done that. Not because it upset people but because it was told to me in private and should
have remained in private.
But there is not and will not be a leader like Malachai in the US and the council as a whole can not fill his shoes. Mainly because
Malachai had a humble humility and respect for everyone. The team included everyone and everyone would have been paid without any
judgments being passed and in a manner that would not have caused resentment as it would have been discussed openly.

I will not go back and forth as this is not where a nations business is meant to be held. The fact it is where it ends up says a lot.

I do expect payment because others were paid.
I will eat the voodoo for months and will still expect to be paid.
I can leave the US and still expect to be paid.
I can die tomorrow and still expect to be paid.
My payment can be refused and withheld and voodoo cast from now until new server I will still be here.

To those in my nation that reached out to me, thank you it is appreciated.
And to those outside the nation who did not even know me thank you for reaching out.
Feniks you are awesome
Admiral Nelson you are awesome
I do not talk a lot and you guys know this but I am glad I am in your guild and a part of the team.


The End

[Mack]

Yeah I think the USA Council is very self-serving that's why I left

[sXs]

We have not overstepped our bounds. This player has no respect.

And honestly an ass kicking was due. And is still due until Taylor realizes respect. This is not where it ends. There will be much more bounties and there will be weeks of HNs to prevent trading. We had presented Taylor with a deal on how to end this. Taylor had obviously chosen against the council's desires.

That is all.

To all parties in this, respect should not be expected from anyone. Respect must be earned. Just because you are a guild leader, nation leader, council member, veteran, new citizen,, no matter how much investment was made or what percentage of you reserves 20-50-90% of your personal reserves were spent.

You must give respect to get it.

You can not demand respect from anyone.

This is not pointed at DoS specifically, it goes to Taylor and Dez as well, and to all involved. I personally do not respect someone simply because they have played the game longer than I have, I do not respect someone simply because they have a bigger bank than I have, I do not respect someone because they are ranked higher or have a position of power, I do not respect someone because their voodoo stash is bigger than mine.

I respect those who go out of their way to help a cause. I respect those that take the time and have the patience to help someone learn. I respect those who will sit, listen, learn, experience, and then comment. But the ones I respect the most are those who point out where or how I am wrong, take the time to explain why, and then have the patience to answer questions.

Respect is earned people, not given freely.

[DezNutz]

Yeah I think the USA Council is very self-serving that's why I left

Ok. I guess deporting inactives, the basis of the disagreement, is now self-serving.

Getting way off topic, and that's besides the point, we settled our differences and Mack is always welcome back to the USA, and the USA has extended an offering of support to Mack if he needs it.

To Taylor/All:

Although, I would like someone to please find me a nation that does not serve it's self interests. A nation is a collective of people who work together to serve a common interest. The council is the main point of where direction and interest is determined as in most cases the council holds the largest voting block. The council isn't a group of elected officials and anyone can be on the council. If someone does not like the way the council is being run, they have the option to either leave the nation to build or find another nation, or complete nation missions, obtain enough influence to join the council, and push to make the changes from within the council. Bitching and moaning about how the nation should be run when you haven't completed nations missions is not how nations work. I would really enjoy seeing you complain about a decision a council made without your opinion in another nation, when you haven't reached the council. I'm sure they would they would just bend over backwards to accommodate your every little complaint.

[Rjcook]

Just a note not all the council are being paid I myself have not requested or require a payment for defending or upholding our nations ports.as far as the remarks on malachi i feel they are disrespectful to him as noone in game that i know of has any knowledge of his departure. hopefully he does return someday and if not hopefully all is well with him and his family.

[Most Lee Harmless]

See, it would all have been much easier and happy if The LoveTiger was still in charge!

But seriously : the way nations are set up and how the voting power table works does mean maintaining a coherent and equitable democracy is a non-starter : in the end, like it or lump it, the mostest votes decides, whatever your rank or opinion, however fair or unfair the outcome may be. It dont do much to complain or argue from a position of weakness outside the council for, as Deznutz says, that's where the power to decide lies. In that is the grounds for much dis-satisfaction and conflict but its hard to see how the running of nations in the game can be any other way.