New Tech- Architecture

[DezNutz]

Bumping.

+1 but costs may need to be looked at again.

[Meliva]

Bumping.

+1 but costs may need to be looked at again.

Do you think the costs need to be higher, or lower? also I added a gold reduction to it as well, which I have to give credit to grim since I got it from his suggestion he recently made.

[DezNutz]

Relooking at it, 5% per level at level 20 is 100%. Unless you are doing 5% of the previous 5% reduction, which would be approximately a 64.2% total reduction at level 20 of the base value.

I would have to do a full comparison to determine if the costs should go up, but I think that is likely.

[Mugiwara]

+1 for idea. I like it. But im not sure about cost.

Total Gold Bars Requirements for all techs level 1 to 20= 387,358
Total Gold Coins Requirements for all techs level 1 to 20= 1,120,703,135

Total Gold Bar Discount for all techs with 20% discount= 77,472
Total Gold Coin Discount for all techs with 20% discount= 224,140,627

Total Gold Bars Requirements for your tech level 1 to 20= 36,100
Total Gold Coins Requirements for your tech level 1 to 20= 60,000,000

If you still didnt researched much tech it will be useful for you. But dont forget you dont need to research all of them. Half of the techs doesnt support each others playstyle.

Total Discount for PVP oriented techs(Skirmish tactics, gunpowder, metallurgy, piracy):
24,062 Gold Bar
88,138,720 Gold Coin
Total Discount for Trade oriented techs(Officer Contracts, Storage Contracts, warehouse tycoon):
24,298 Gold Bar
76,694,819 Gold Coin
Total Discount for hybrid techs (useful for all type of players Shipwright Management, Education, Political Science, Spanish Galleons):
29,112 Gold Bar
59,307,089 Gold Coin

As you can see pvp oriented techs and trade oriented techs total discount amount really close. Which means when we calculate PVP or trade discount amount plus hybrid techs we will see more reasonable cost table.

Average discount amounts for PVP or trade oriented players
53k gold bar
135M gold coin

My suggestion:
Cost of your tech should be 1/3 of average discount amounts.

Sorry for copy paste. i made this calculations for grimrock's total 20% discount suggestion at level 20. if you have time Meliva can you adjust this numbers for your suggestion? i m also wondering about 5% tech discount. is it total? or like Deznutz said.


Mugiwara...

[Meliva]

Relooking at it, 5% per level at level 20 is 100%. Unless you are doing 5% of the previous 5% reduction, which would be approximately a 64.2% total reduction at level 20 of the base value.

I would have to do a full comparison to determine if the costs should go up, but I think that is likely.

good catch, shouldn't try changing things while I haven't fully woken up . gonna change that to a more appropriate amount.

[Meliva]

+1 for idea. I like it. But im not sure about cost.

Total Gold Bars Requirements for all techs level 1 to 20= 387,358
Total Gold Coins Requirements for all techs level 1 to 20= 1,120,703,135

Total Gold Bar Discount for all techs with 20% discount= 77,472
Total Gold Coin Discount for all techs with 20% discount= 224,140,627

Total Gold Bars Requirements for your tech level 1 to 20= 36,100
Total Gold Coins Requirements for your tech level 1 to 20= 60,000,000

If you still didnt researched much tech it will be useful for you. But dont forget you dont need to research all of them. Half of the techs doesnt support each others playstyle.

Total Discount for PVP oriented techs(Skirmish tactics, gunpowder, metallurgy, piracy):
24,062 Gold Bar
88,138,720 Gold Coin
Total Discount for Trade oriented techs(Officer Contracts, Storage Contracts, warehouse tycoon):
24,298 Gold Bar
76,694,819 Gold Coin
Total Discount for hybrid techs (useful for all type of players Shipwright Management, Education, Political Science, Spanish Galleons):
29,112 Gold Bar
59,307,089 Gold Coin

As you can see pvp oriented techs and trade oriented techs total discount amount really close. Which means when we calculate PVP or trade discount amount plus hybrid techs we will see more reasonable cost table.

Average discount amounts for PVP or trade oriented players
53k gold bar
135M gold coin

My suggestion:
Cost of your tech should be 1/3 of average discount amounts.

Sorry for copy paste. i made this calculations for grimrock's total 20% discount suggestion at level 20. if you have time Meliva can you adjust this numbers for your suggestion? i m also wondering about 5% tech discount. is it total? or like Deznutz said.


Mugiwara...

Mugiwara, I think you may have misread the purpose of this tech. this tech does not make researching other techs cheaper, it reduces the cost of buildings. For example, at level one, all buildings and upgrades will be 2% cheaper in gold, 1% in resources(iron, wood, etc.) and .5 in gold bars.
The main purpose for this tech is to make it easier for smaller players to build their buildings like their mansion, goldsmith and bank, and if an older player who already has these built, they can use this to help future hideout buildings. but I will do the math when I have time on how much this tech would save.

[Mugiwara]

sorry for that lack of time made me think wrong way:) sorry for that. but still im +1:) maybe flat 5% will make it more for new players. no need for rush to get more discount. still detailed calculation would be beneficial i believe.

[Meliva]

Here is the Calculation of how much you would save(with the exception of resources, I may try to get that done when I have more time.)

Total grand cost of getting all current hideout buildings max is
1,944,950 Gold Bars
1,521,065,948 Gold Coins

With this tech maxed you would save
40% gold coin reduction-608,426,379
10% gold bar reduction-194,495

The new Grand Total would be
1,750,455 Gold Bars
912,639,569 Gold Coins


However we must take into account that not every player will want to max out every building.
And this is based on the MAX you can save,(as in you only start with 1 level in mansion and academy the bare minimum to begin tech.)

[Mugiwara]

im still suggesting flat and small discount. for a new player only mansion level one private marina(for mow mostly) and level 1 academy matter at start. other buildings as a new player dont make much sense to invest. that much discount will make goldsmiths or banks a lot worthless i believe.

[DezNutz]

Here is the Calculation of how much you would save(with the exception of resources, I may try to get that done when I have more time.)

Total grand cost of getting all current hideout buildings max is
1,944,950 Gold Bars
1,521,065,948 Gold Coins

With this tech maxed you would save
40% gold coin reduction-608,426,379
10% gold bar reduction-194,495

The new Grand Total would be
1,750,455 Gold Bars
912,639,569 Gold Coins


However we must take into account that not every player will want to max out every building.
And this is based on the MAX you can save,(as in you only start with 1 level in mansion and academy the bare minimum to begin tech.)

Total cost should be about 30-35% of that. Which will give you a relative savings (Savings-Tech Cost) of about 25-30%.