Gold bar market discussion

[Vane]

Absolutely correct Stan. Storing coin as bars was common practice and a decent GB sink as far as market supply went. With this eliminated many have sold off to avoid devastating losses to voodoo. I know I sold all my stock.

Another reason we need more use for bars and transport to make smithing viable again.

[Captain Jack]

I think that Official List of Demands should still target Gold Bars but to 1% instead. This will allow about 10k at each port for big players (less than 200k loss per cast then, not a big deal for any big player), which is a reasonable amount for a total of 210k on warehouses.

Some may stock more, some less. Point is that this can help gold bars distribution to ports.

But yes, we need more demand. Multiple new cases of gold bar demands. Not changes on the existing structure.
The hand concept cannot change; we have thought it as well but the whole game is built around it.

We have other ideas that could use this concept though. National treasuries could play a role. Or port incomes. Port Buildings. Port taxes. Port port port. Too long and too early thoughts to write here.

[Haron]

I agree that more demand for gold bars are needed. I think Maha's suggestion of making gold coins local has too wide implications, though.

The demand for gold bars should come from something that's done regularly, not only "one time costs". I guess upgrading ships would be an alternative. However, I think a very neat alternative would be to require goldbars to be used to buy influence. Influence is bought regularly, so this would cause a daily demand. Also, whenever there is a fight over port influence, this would cause many people to buy gold bars at that port, raising prices and making people ship gold bars there from other ports. It would add another element to fighting over port control, as well.

[Mugiwara]

I agree that more demand for gold bars are needed. I think Maha's suggestion of making gold coins local has too wide implications, though.

The demand for gold bars should come from something that's done regularly, not only "one time costs". I guess upgrading ships would be an alternative. However, I think a very neat alternative would be to require goldbars to be used to buy influence. Influence is bought regularly, so this would cause a daily demand. Also, whenever there is a fight over port influence, this would cause many people to buy gold bars at that port, raising prices and making people ship gold bars there from other ports. It would add another element to fighting over port control, as well.

Yes gold bar for influence will open a huge demand. if it will have more influence earning rate than gold coins it will also make it mandatory assets for most of the nations.

[[Grim]ley Fiendish]

its very simple here coins are overpowering gold.

we can buy everything with coins but gold cannot buy everything or we do have a system to buy gold for coins in the market but we dont have a system for coin for gold. Like credit for coins we need a system for coin for gold and with that i will really appreciate the use of gold in every ship buying not restricted to just LMM and Sotls.

Take example of real-life and you will get our answers

[Haron]

There is a system for gold bars to coin, Jonas. You can always sell gold bars to the market for gold coins.

[[Grim]ley Fiendish]

But markets are not working, supply is very high.

[Haron]

Indeed. Which is why we need more demand for gold bars. Preferably something else than those things you buy once, then are done with it. Which is why I suggested that influence should only be bought by gold bars. That would increase the demand on a daily basis. It would also give different demands in different ports.

[[Grim]ley Fiendish]

we need a sub to increase demand.

influence has no limits, this can go anywhere.

cards will be suffer for this, like transport immigration and black death

[Haron]

TI and BD regulate population, not influence.

Charity Donation, Propaganda and Conspiracy affect influence. However, I don't see why these would be affected. Gold bars should increase influence just the way gold coins do today. For example, one gold bar could increase the influence with 200 (base, altered by politics technology). This would correspond to a gold bar price of 2000, since 2000 gold coins would increase your influence by around 200.