Plato's Diologues

[Mugiwara]

"Pirates are evil? The Navy is righteous? Those views change as often as the tides! Kid's who've never known peace have different values from those who've never known war. Those who stand at the top can decide the definition of "evil". This place is the turning point. Justice will triumph, you say? Of course it will! Because the winners will become JUSTICE! "

[sXs]

It seems to have garnered a bit of interest so let's apply it to current events in Avonmora.

The Republic:Plato

In The Republic, Socrates develops a position on Justice and the Just Life. Several questions are addressed and some of these seem to be relevant to the Grim and Vane discussion thread,

Firstly, What is Justice?

In the Republic, Glaucon poses this compromise

"And this, then, is the genesis and being of justice: it is a mean between what is best—doing injustice without paying the penalty—and what is worst—suffering injustice without being able to avenge oneself."

This seems to be in line with the "Don't want none, don't start none" rule in Avonmora.

Was justice served? Was Vane's idea of justice in fact just? I for one, believe that from Vane's perspective, justice was served.

And what of Grim's perspective? His actions seem to be in response to an action initially taken against him. Were his actions just?

These are the questions that shall cause much rum to be consumed in Avonmora this night.

I offer no insight into the answers, only to pose the questions.

To quote Vane. "Not all treasure is silver and gold." mate. This quote shall be etched into the foundation of knowledge I have gained.

"If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton

[Donald Trump]

The losers tend to point at the winner's costs. This is how you can tell winner from loser.


Losers as well try to tell themselves and the world the damages. Because, they believe if they can present it in a way they do not seem harmed, you will stop.

[Slindur]

In terms of applying quotes to Avonmora, I like the motto "speak softly and carry a big stick" (not sure where it originated).

I will now return to my rum and musings about who will be picked before my next draft choice...

Slindur

[Donald Trump]

In terms of applying quotes to Avonmora, I like the motto "speak softly and carry a big stick" (not sure where it originated).

I will now return to my rum and musings about who will be picked before my next draft choice...

Slindur

Teddy!!!

Its an old african proverb made famous by Theodore Roosevelt.

[DezNutz]

In terms of applying quotes to Avonmora, I like the motto "speak softly and carry a big stick" (not sure where it originated).

I will now return to my rum and musings about who will be picked before my next draft choice...

Slindur

Big Stick Diplomacy. The proverb was first cited by President Theodore Roosevelt in 1900 in a letter, who is speculated to have coined the phrase although he said it was a West African proverb (Prior to Roosevelt's use, there is no recorded of the proverb existing in West Africa). The phrase eventually became his foreign policy.

For reference the proverb is "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."

[DezNutz]

I personally like this one: "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George Patton

[Banger]

"Watch out for people who are always bragging about who they are. A lion will never have to tell me it's a lion."

[sXs]

“For the whole earth is the tomb of famous men; not only are they commemorated by columns and inscriptions in their own country, but in foreign lands there dwells also an unwritten memorial of them, graven not on stone but in the hearts of men. Make them your examples, and, esteeming courage to be freedom and freedom to be happiness, do not weigh too nicely the perils of war." - Thcydides

This quote comes from the funeral oration of Pericles in "History of the Peloponnesian War" and it caused some debate within my philosophy class. Pericles, one of the most influential statesman of Athens was called "the first citizen of Athens" by Thucydides. The debate in clas was centered around this theme.

What is the measure of life? "For the whole earth is the tomb of famous men" We all come to the same end, that earthly tomb. Are fame and notoriety a true measure? Wealth? Possessions? Some of the most famous figures in history, Stalin, Hitler, Genghis Khon, Leopold II were ruthless murderers.

So what is the true measure of life?

This and many other questions shall cause the rum to flow in Avonmora this eve.

[Yekin]

"There are leaders and those that follow them but at the end of the day the Queen and the Pawn get put in the same box together"