(Legendary) Indentured Servitude

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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Grimrock Litless » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:17 am

Danik wrote:I dont see this card as having any value for dodging your own taxes : its only application would be offensive in nature : to deny a nation tax income ( for which it is too weak) and to force hostility upon the target ( for which it is too strong), which if unattended too, will lose them their flag and any rank they have.

As I already said, the name misleads, it has little to do with tax evasion. A better name would be 'Forced Exile'. A further clue to the intended offensive nature of the card is the piercing ( why would you need that to cast on yourself?) and resistance qualities, (again, why would you need that for a self-cast?) Both, however, very useful for getting it on target and keeping it there.

So, I reckon the proposer should present their arguments for this card in that light, rather than pretend its some neat way to avoid upkeep.

BTW : it would be an excellent tool for removing inactive kings, governors or dukes : perhaps the proposer should focus on that aspect and re-present the card.


I actually already removed the force hostility.
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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Shadowood » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:50 am

If you want to avoid taxes, become a pirate.

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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Grimrock Litless » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:53 am

Shadowood wrote:If you want to avoid taxes, become a pirate.

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Not really Tax, more of upkeep, cant avoid that now can ya?

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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Shadowood » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:23 am

Grimrock Litless wrote:
Shadowood wrote:If you want to avoid taxes, become a pirate.

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Not really Tax, more of upkeep, cant avoid that now can ya?

PS Please read the whole thing before joining the cows.


4th time reading. Still a -1 for me.
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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Grimrock Litless » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:30 am

Shadowood wrote:
Grimrock Litless wrote:
Shadowood wrote:If you want to avoid taxes, become a pirate.

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Not really Tax, more of upkeep, cant avoid that now can ya?

PS Please read the whole thing before joining the cows.


4th time reading. Still a -1 for me.


The reason you said is invalid, so what's the real reason? Good sir.
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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Meliva » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:53 am

Grimrock Litless wrote:
The reason you said is invalid, so what's the real reason? Good sir.


actually his reason is not invalid. pirates do not pay taxes, and their upkeep costs are halved. not to mention this name is misleading since your still paying taxes, your just not paying upkeep.
Also what is the point of giving this card piercing and resistance?
Perhaps if you spent some time explaining what your intent of this card is, and how you think it can benefit gameplay, more people would help build up on the idea instead of tearing it down.
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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Grimrock Litless » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:26 am

Meliva wrote:
Grimrock Litless wrote:
The reason you said is invalid, so what's the real reason? Good sir.


actually his reason is not invalid. pirates do not pay taxes, and their upkeep costs are halved. not to mention this name is misleading since your still paying taxes, your just not paying upkeep.
Also what is the point of giving this card piercing and resistance?
Perhaps if you spent some time explaining what your intent of this card is, and how you think it can benefit gameplay, more people would help build up on the idea instead of tearing it down.


The piercing and resistance is so that it can be used to help people, like, during a raid if the person have tax on him.

The long duration means that someone can save money from upkeep for a few days, but that needs some more refining as you can see.

The name, I put can be changed, I myself wasn't sure what would be a good name, please give suggestion on this.
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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Meliva » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:33 am

Grimrock Litless wrote:
Meliva wrote:
Grimrock Litless wrote:
The reason you said is invalid, so what's the real reason? Good sir.


actually his reason is not invalid. pirates do not pay taxes, and their upkeep costs are halved. not to mention this name is misleading since your still paying taxes, your just not paying upkeep.
Also what is the point of giving this card piercing and resistance?
Perhaps if you spent some time explaining what your intent of this card is, and how you think it can benefit gameplay, more people would help build up on the idea instead of tearing it down.


The piercing and resistance is so that it can be used to help people, like, during a raid if the person have tax on him.

The long duration means that someone can save money from upkeep for a few days, but that needs some more refining as you can see.

The name, I put can be changed, I myself wasn't sure what would be a good name, please give suggestion on this.


There are much better ways to help someone then using this card, generosity for example. the only real appeal is to counter taxation since that's the only voodoo that this would protect against, but no legendary cards main appeal should be to counter a single non legendary card.
as for saving money during its "long" duration, its really not that long. 72 hours means just 3 days of upkeep, and the craft time is 144 hours. and I do not think many players have a high enough upkeep to justify using it, except for large traders.
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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Meliva » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:39 am

As for the name, I would suggest forced labor but sadly that's taken :D.
Maybe Indentured Servitude? description could be like,
You get several Indentured servants to serve as crew and maintain your ships cannons until their debts are paid.
perhaps you could also add a turn effect, that by investing more turns this effect lasts longer(more turns increases debt amount earning more free labor). that way players with big upkeep could benefit with fewer turns but smaller players could benefit be investing more turns.
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Re: (Legendary) Tax Evasion

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:09 pm

If I understand the final edit of this proposal correctly, you can replicate the effect of this 'legendary' card' by casting a Forced Labor on yourself 3 days in a row and, depending on your crew/cannon ratio, earn more doing so.
Helping out folk? We already have a Generosity card with 100 % piercing. Or a few Buried Treasures suffice if 500k is too much for your purse to bear.
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