(Forum War)-AyeCappy vs World

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Re: (Forum War)-AyeCappy vs World

Postby Admiral Nelson » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:55 pm

Grogggy wrote:Curious how non americans feel about Trump...post without judgement, well, from me at least!


Bit of a racist :y

Does not like women that have abortions, considering he signed to cut the funding for it?...
I do not know much, but there we go.
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Postby Donald Trump » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:57 pm

John Avery wrote:
Grogggy wrote:Curious how non americans feel about Trump...post without judgement, well, from me at least!


Bit of a racist :y

Does not like women that have abortions, considering he signed to cut the funding for it?...
I do not know much, but there we go.



That is truly a religious matter more than anything else.
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Postby Maha » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:45 pm

both HC and DJT were non-candidates for me. truly amazed that these two got nominated by their parties in the first place. both parties forgot to find people of honor and integrity in their lust for control and power.

DJT's inauguration speech was the first i ever heard, i got scared but found solace that their is congress and juridical ?? (what's the word?). next thing DJT starts issuing decrees, way to go.

it's not just the divided states of america. in my country we'll vote in march. already 80+ political parties are trying to get into our parliament of 150 seats total.
Democracy only works when the majority looks after the interests of the minorities. these days we live in a "me first" society where 'the other' has to support our well being and keep quiet. the democratic world is bankrupt and dictators will rise on the wave of national populist rhetoric.
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Re: (Forum War)-AyeCappy vs World

Postby Donald Trump » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:05 pm

I don't really get the hate towards Obama. It is funny. They already quizzed Americans on Obamacare and the response was priceless. Went something like this.

Questioner: Do you hate Obamcare?
American : Yes! I hate Obama!
Questioner: Do you hate the Affordable Care Act?
American: NO! It is a lifesaver!
Questioner: Those are the exact same things....
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Postby Big Brother » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:11 pm

I think the problem is that no one is looking into who they vote for. Educated voters make a healthy democracy. Ive spoken to supporters of both sides as someone who didn't vote for either in any election. Ive always voted for minor third parties. Both sides bandwagon...
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Postby Grogggy » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:09 pm

can I summarize as "bewilderment?"

I forgot to say, but if you want to specify which country you are viewing events from, it might help
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Postby Meliva » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:43 pm

honestly I do not really care for the electoral college. even if someone wins the popular vote they can still lose the election. the way its set up the swing states are really the only ones that matter. for example I live in Kansas. love it here but we are a red state. I knew from day 1 trump would win Kansas. the only times democrats won Kansas was way back in 1932 and 36 I believe. so I never bother with voting. if I vote democrat my vote is wasted because republicans will win the state, if I vote republican I only help ensure they win.
as for trump himself I think he could turn out good, and I hope he does. just gotta give him a chance honestly.
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Postby Stan Rogers » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:15 am

Meliva wrote:honestly I do not really care for the electoral college. even if someone wins the popular vote they can still lose the election. the way its set up the swing states are really the only ones that matter. for example I live in Kansas. love it here but we are a red state. I knew from day 1 trump would win Kansas. the only times democrats won Kansas was way back in 1932 and 36 I believe. so I never bother with voting. if I vote democrat my vote is wasted because republicans will win the state, if I vote republican I only help ensure they win.
as for trump himself I think he could turn out good, and I hope he does. just gotta give him a chance honestly.


A good number of times I been in your position Meliva and my solution is to vote for the known 3rd/4th place underdog who you know has no chance of winning but my opinion is, if I don't vote, I don't have the right to complain so I try to always vote even if I know the outcome before it happens.

It's the act that is important, maybe more important than who wins. If nobody voted, the incumbent could say our citizens have no interest in voting so therefore next term has been cancelled due to lack of interest.
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Re: (Forum War)-AyeCappy vs World

Postby Psychodad » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:58 am

The electoral college is important as a part of the systems of checks and balances. Without it, the election would be decided by the most populated parts of the country, leaving the more sparsely populated areas unrepresented. Just as every state has two senators regardless of population while representatives based on population, the electoral college combines the two. Without the electoral college, the country would always elect a president based on the desires of New York and California. The voter turn out in the rest of the country would be even more dismal than it is and would result a situation that was similar to one of the reasons for the revolution in the first place, taxation without representation.

Popular vote is in fact represented by the electoral college as population does factor in to the number of electoral votes a state has:

Each State is allocated a number of Electors equal to the number of its U.S. Senators (always 2) plus the number of its U.S. Representatives (which may change each decade according to the size of each State's population as determined in the Census).


http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/electoralworks.htm

The wisdom of this is a testament to the consideration of the founders of our country, the form and function of the political system works, if only we had participants that were equal to the task. I would only suggest one change, an option to select a "none of the above" candidate which would have been appropriate especially this last election cycle.

To not vote abrogates our responsibility as a citizen. It neuters your arguments about the outcome.
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Re: (Forum War)-AyeCappy vs World

Postby Grogggy » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:13 am

If it was so important, it would have been nice if it had excercised the kind of oversight the founders envisioned, and not elected Trump, a man suffering from obvious mental issues.
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