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Re: Good leader.

Postby Maha » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:31 am

hitler almost invented mass communication and used it to his advantage. he had media advisers who gave him a new profile (home, dress code, etc etc.) he sensed what would rile the German postwar one Germans. and he used it for his purpose.

his charisma draw them in and gave them identity.

but a good leader is more than this. a good leader cares for those he leads.
Halfway WWII came the point that his generals and advisers came to fear him. information was kept away from him because of this. 'don't wake the Fuhrer...'
Hitler, in his last days turned against his followers, ranting that they had betrayed him by losing the war. he decided that they were unworthy to live on.

self centered egomaniacs can gather a huge following, but that doesn't make them good leaders. succes is not the prove of good leadership. sometimes it means that the other side is even worse :)

i am not an American, but i wonder why noby mentioned Eisenhower? what i am told is that he presided in a very subtle way. (i can be wrong though, never studied american history)
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Re: Good leader.

Postby Big Brother » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:03 pm

Don't get me wrong, what hitler did was bad... but he did make the autobahn, in a similar manner to Eisenhower and our interstates...

Everyone goes crazy if you're the reason for millions of deaths for no apparent reason...

Look up Reagan... he went crazy..

Pictures before and after of every President is shockingly truthful.

Reagan was around at the height of the cold war.

Hitler was around when his world was dying.

He wanted what was good for his people.

He tried to do good, failed doing it.

As I said, GREAT leader, bad person.
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Re: Good leader.

Postby Lana » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:09 pm

TITO!

And, if you want to know why, check my post in the thread ''message to Chin Chin''.
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Re: Good leader.

Postby Big Brother » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:14 pm

Don't care..... democracy has its benefits. You don't like having a choice in who controls your countries existence, then your country and life has almost no freedom.

Freedom isn't guns, booze, and nudity...

Freedom is choice. You don't want to choose if you get shot by a dictator for no reason, that's ur own Damn problem.

Don't bring it here.
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Re: Good leader.

Postby Lana » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:42 pm

If I understand you (it's always difficult), you think we (citizens of my ex country) didn't have a freedom? Choice to choose? Our people OWNED our industry for more than 40 years (in Tito's time), not State, or private capital, but workers, is that enough freedom for you?

Btw, do you really think you have a choice to chose your Presidential candidate?
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Re: Good leader.

Postby Kart » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:33 pm

I can't believe no one googled the Exotic Adrian Street and commented about him. You people are way too serious.
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Re: Good leader.

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:45 pm

Showing me age some.. but wasn't he a rather camp wrestler?
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Re: Good leader.

Postby Kart » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:55 pm

He definitely was unique. Still is for that matter. I would not say "camp", at least not if you read his bio. The part was almost thrust upon him and he capitalized on it.
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Re: Good leader.

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:13 pm

Well, 'camp' was somewhat interchangable with 'glam' at the time : have to bear in mind, back then, a guy who combed his hair more than twice a week was firmly placed in the Friends of Dorothy category...

But the 70's discerning wrestling fans choice would have to be Kendo Nagasaki...
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Re: Good leader.

Postby DezNutz » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:47 pm

Lana wrote:If I understand you (it's always difficult), you think we (citizens of my ex country) didn't have a freedom? Choice to choose? Our people OWNED our industry for more than 40 years (in Tito's time), not State, or private capital, but workers, is that enough freedom for you?


Were you free to alter the product as you see fit? Were you free to sell your share of the industry? Did you receive an equal share of the profits from that industry? The likely answer to all of these questions is No.

Socialist/Communist Nations run this ploy of ownership by the people, but in reality the government ran the industries and the nation was likely a dictatorship. Take a look at the Soviet Union (USSR), specifically during the reign of Stalin. The government of the people ran the industries. The government of the people was Stalin. The government that ran the country made all the money, and the average worker ran nothing and got next to nothing. They had no say. They received X from the government while the government made infinitely more. The worker had no freedom to pick the job of his choice, the workers didn't have the freedom to make the product as they saw fit. The worker couldn't speak out against the government. Everything was decided by the Soviet Bureaucracy, the worker who supposed had an equal share had no share.

If communism and socialism are so great and work so well, why did the USSR collapse? Why did the people rise up? Why has China, a communist dictatorship, moved towards capitalism. The reason is because socialism and communism doesn't work.

A great example of the failures of socialism occurred during the colonization of the Americas. For most of the early colonial settlement farming was done socially, everyone shared the benefits and the duties of the farm. It failed to work resulting in insufficient food supplies for winter because people found they didn't have to do their equal share and still reaped the benefits of others. An Englishman by the name of John Smith pioneered the concept of private ownership and the ideas of "If you don't work, you don't eat." in the new world. His leadership saved the English colonies, specifically at Jamestown, from complete collapse. Socialism would have destroyed the American colonies, and the Jewel of Freedom in this world would likely not be here today if it wasn't for capitalistic and democratic ideas.
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