same old stan

[Leo]

There are also bad Toyotas, and great fords and Chevys and jeeps. It just depends on the individual car and how you take care of it. But numbers speak and the average Toyota lasts a lot longer than the average Chevy or Ford. I don't know how that constitutes as "garbage" but I suspect it dates back to the early 1900s fear mongering about Japanese cars and gremlins.

[Dmanwuzhere]

There are also bad Toyotas, and great fords and Chevys and jeeps. It just depends on the individual car and how you take care of it. But numbers speak and the average Toyota lasts a lot longer than the average Chevy or Ford. I don't know how that constitutes as "garbage" but I suspect it dates back to the early 1900s fear mongering about Japanese cars and gremlins.

I don't buy new garbage unless it's for one of the kids against my wishes.
One of my daughters had an Odyssey (the coolest feature was the passenger doors) that leaked onto the driver seat when it rained.
If she were without a toddler, she could drive it til the wheels fell off as she bought it.
But being worried about mold and my grandbaby, I told her to pick a vehicle, and I would buy it and trade it for her van.
Kill two birds, one stone, get rid of a pos vehicle, and not worry about mold.
Nope, she picked a Nissan. I bought it, got the van, and promptly gave it away to someone with no vehicle.
So she still drives a foreign pos, but my grandbaby will not have any mold to contend with.
Someone without a car found the other pos to be a blessing.
And me? I'm stuck shaking my head at this generation of dummies wanting foreign pos to drive.
But happy in a Chevy, so all's well that ends well.

[Leo]

But seriously, what makes it a pos? You pairing the word with "foreign" almost makes me think you hear it's from a Japanese company and automatically assume it's bad. Like I said numbers talk. There are reliable cars from many many brands including Chevy, I hear that suburbans hold up quite well over time, but these "pos foreign companies" take it by a landslide in terms of lifespan. If you're buying a car with only 70k miles on it, it probably doesn't matter as much if it will make it to 250k or only to 180k, since you likely won't have the car by that point. But there's a reason Toyota Camry and Honda Civic is the staple car of the lower middle class. They last a long time with generally very few required repairs as long as they are well maintained and that is due to high quality engineering. I also think cars overall have just gotten worse with modern technology. Old Ford trucks used to be renownedly super reliable but now the F150 is considered one of the least reliable trucks to buy. Even newer Toyotas are having major problems. I'm lucky that all the cars in my price range are from before the auto industry took a sharp downhill and I prefer vehicles with less computerized components. I also prefer manual transmission. I fear for the future of when the best used option I'll be able to buy was made in 2022 and has computerized everything.

[Lil Lola]

There are also bad Toyotas, and great fords and Chevys and jeeps. It just depends on the individual car and how you take care of it. But numbers speak and the average Toyota lasts a lot longer than the average Chevy or Ford. I don't know how that constitutes as "garbage" but I suspect it dates back to the early 1900s fear mongering about Japanese cars and gremlins.

Wow what is that??? race baiting Leo? Try Toyota being irresponsible and falsifying safety data so much so that the chairman had to apologize to his customers..Wtf? Just because it’s a Japanese company they are blameless?

Japanese are innocent..Try telling that to Chinese and Koreans. See how that shit flys. Your straight nuts sometimes Leo. Christ you look for racism everywhere. Get a effing grip. Seriously. This fact is not unknown to a car guy like Dman.

[Leo]

There are also bad Toyotas, and great fords and Chevys and jeeps. It just depends on the individual car and how you take care of it. But numbers speak and the average Toyota lasts a lot longer than the average Chevy or Ford. I don't know how that constitutes as "garbage" but I suspect it dates back to the early 1900s fear mongering about Japanese cars and gremlins.

Wow what is that??? race baiting Leo? Try Toyota being irresponsible and falsifying safety data so much so that the chairman had to apologize to his customers..Wtf? Just because it’s a Japanese company they are blameless?

Japanese are innocent..Try telling that to Chinese and Koreans. See how that shit flys. Your straight nuts sometimes Leo. Christ you look for racism everywhere. Get a effing grip. Seriously. This fact is not unknown to a car guy like Dman.

Never said anything about race, actually. You are pulling words out of thing air. To clarify, I'm referring to the overwhelming sentiment that has existed for a long time that Japanese or American cars are better than the other on the basis of what country they were made. Some people swear to only buy American and then end up with total crap cars because they refuse to do proper research. Likewise, some people swear that Japanese cars are simply better and then end up getting a crap car because once again, they didn't do research. Different brands vary in reliability from model to model and year to year. That's why one year you'll have a Subaru or Toyota that gets awards for reliability and then the next year the same model added to the do not buy list due to a faulty head gasket problem etc.

[Lil Lola]

Yeah you absolutely did..1900’s fear mongering about Japanese cars and gremlins..that comment is rooted from actual racism and superstition…hello!!! Do your research and look up Toyota and some of their controversies. There are a lot.
You think maybe just maybe that would steer some people away from Toyota and not 100 year old superstitions that are far-faded from the American Pysche but sounds good from some two-bit hack journalist wanna be psychoanalyst? I’ve heard that stupid “reasoning”…talk about a stretch. But if you pull some “historical facts and opinion” it makes a theory seem legit.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I won't buy a car from a nation that won't sell ours.
That's why I say foreign pos.
It's not true competition unless the market is flowing both ways.
I also call cars with tons of electronics garbage or pos.
The more electronic parts, the more chance of failure.
Electronics, by nature, are touchy.
Rust, decay, dampness, and many other factors are especially bad for electronics.
All of which vehicles experience daily.
Price check a modulator valve vs an electronic modulator valve
The difference is about 415 bucks.
A 20-dollar fix becomes a paycheck when electronics are involved.
I would love to see all foreign cars disappear from our markets as I prefer US dollars going to the US,
especially considering we don't have the same chance to rake in other nations' cash on ours.
Call it bigoted or old fashioned, but I'm good with old American vehicles.
So yes, to me, a pos nation wants to sell us its pos but doesn't want to know if our pos will sell on their streets.
Fook em and nuke em drive Chevy

[Lil Lola]

Dman how many cars can they fit on an overpopulated tiny ass island anyway? I wonder if they have scrapyards or just ship old cars to America because people like to fix junk.

Leo you gave me a headache.

[Leo]

Last time I checked Toyota doesn't control the market for American cars in Japan. That would be the government. General Motors also moved their major manufacturing plant out of Michigan into Mexico for cheaper labor. How American! We all know the story of Flint, Michigan. Your all American pride Chevy was made with parts from across the globe and likely assembled by Mexicans.

[Leo]

Dude how many cars can they fit on an overpopulated tiny ass island anyway? I wonder if they have scrapyards or just ship old cars to America because people like to fix junk.

Funny, sometimes I browse marketplace and actually do see imported Japanese cars. Steering wheel on the right side and all text in Japanese. Always wondered how and why they got sent here. But mostly they're Mitsubishis and Suzukis and izusus, haven't seen many of Hondas Nissans or Toyotas that have been imported