same old stan

[Dmanwuzhere]

Carry on.. Its quite entertaining. Just give Canada back its gold and shut the door.
We be fine in the long term and regarding your Lincoln quote, I believe it to be true nd the FO stage of FAFO is just getting started.

Come and get it. Tell Trudeau to lead the charge.

come on now dman, you know he stepped down. He'd decided he'd ruined Canada enough and is now gonna retire in some log cabin somewhere with his millions of dollars and his own private maple syrup lake.

But once C.U.M is formed we'll be the biggest nation on earth. You could see the size of our C.U.M from the moon itself! It will be so strong too! All the other nations will envy how strong and rich C.U.M is.

With all his free time I figured to give him a new occupation and meet him at the border

[Dmanwuzhere]

Unless the majority of the rest of the world all decide to unite to fight us, I'm not too worried. Again, we have 2 big oceans on both sides, a large population, tons of guns, and the biggest military budget, and probably the biggest military in the world. Other then nukes, I can't see any nation managing to invade the mainland US. Canada and Mexico might be able to push in for a bit, but neither has militaries close to the size of ours. I also doubt either would want to invade us. It's an unfair fight for them, and without some damn good foreign support, won't end well for them. Defensive wars tend to favor the defender, and with the natural defense of 2 oceans, relatively weak neighbors, large diverse climates from mountains, to deserts, to swamps, huge population, tons of guns, any attempt to invade the US faces so many issues and problems I really do not see it ever happening. I'm more worried about what I believe Lincoln once said. If anything is going to bring down the US, it's going to be a threat from within.

Also, funniest crap I read today. Nobody wanting America's help. Yeah, sure, you might not want it, since you feel so offended by what Trump is doing, but last I checked, you're not the king of the world, nor are you the chosen representative for all foreign people outside the US.

It's also rich talking about self superiority, when so many foreigners seem to just love to mock the United States. Talking about how so many places have healthcare, or free college, or talking crap about school shootings in America. But when the US starts talking about stopping sending support to other nations and focusing on our own problems, oh no sound the alarms, they can't do that, we need the money of the biggest economy in the world, of the biggest military in the world, oh but we'll still talk crap regardless.

And yeah, the few nukes other nations have could mess up the world. Okay. Cool. Wipe out all human life just to spite your enemy. I'm sure that's a good idea. Rather then figure out a way to survive and bounce back.

Look at Poland, it's been conquered, and crushed so many times yet it always managed to claw it's way back. Better to live and survive to rise again, then just burn yourself and everyone to ash out of spite.

Not saying this will necessarily happen, but what good is the military budget if no one is willing to fight? If it's a war no one agrees with and people sense that it could be a world war, drafting people may not do anything. No way to FORCE people to fight other than to punish them with fines or imprisonment. And if enough people refuse to fight this strategy would be wholly ineffective. In both world wars we've been in people have been so angry with the opposition that they signed up en masse to fight, so little to no drafting was needed. Korea and especially Vietnam are different stories, most of the soldiers had to be drafted and a good chunk didn't agree with the cause but fought anyway because they liked the idea of kicking communist ass or because there just weren't enough people to refuse to fight for it to be effective. I have a strong feeling (completely on a hunch, of course) that whatever the cause for WWIII will be is going to be something that most Americans can't get behind or even despise. So many people are pacifists and hate war or hate our leaders and would refuse to fight for them. Plus now we know what kind of technology us and other countries hold, people would be even less motivated to help out. Anyone getting nuked at this point will result in the end of humanity and probably most life on earth. There's no way around it. If one country launches a nuke someone else will launch one too. And nukes are so much more incredibly powerful now than they were back in WWII. They won't just destroy cities, they'll destroy entire states or countries. A single nuke would have an impact on all life on earth, everywhere around the globe.

defect or migrate... why live where you are unhappy

[Dmanwuzhere]

Carry on.. Its quite entertaining. Just give Canada back its gold and shut the door.
We be fine in the long term and regarding your Lincoln quote, I believe it to be true nd the FO stage of FAFO is just getting started.

Come and get it. Tell Trudeau to lead the charge.

come on now dman, you know he stepped down. He'd decided he'd ruined Canada enough and is now gonna retire in some log cabin somewhere with his millions of dollars and his own private maple syrup lake.

But once C.U.M is formed we'll be the biggest nation on earth. You could see the size of our C.U.M from the moon itself! It will be so strong too! All the other nations will envy how strong and rich C.U.M is.

Danik and Stan won't be able to Keep C.U.M. out of their mouths it will be the newest scandal talked and cried about for years to come

[Most Lee Harmless]

Dman flirting again.

[Leo]

Dman I believe it's built into the values of this country that the citizens can make changes to it as needed. That's why it's supposed to be a democracy. The whole notion of "love it or get out" is masquerading as being patriotic but is perhaps the most un-American value a person can have. It's our job as citizens to mold the system to our needs, not to bend over and mold ourselves to the system. I'm sure the founding fathers would be horrified the level of corruption throughout the elected officials

[Meliva]

Dman I believe it's built into the values of this country that the citizens can make changes to it as needed. That's why it's supposed to be a democracy. The whole notion of "love it or get out" is masquerading as being patriotic but is perhaps the most un-American value a person can have. It's our job as citizens to mold the system to our needs, not to bend over and mold ourselves to the system. I'm sure the founding fathers would be horrified the level of corruption throughout the elected officials

They did intend to make sure it can be changed, but they didn't want a tyranny of the majority that a pure democracy has. That's why they made it with all the checks and balances it has. So that any change that can be made, is going to be slow, take time, and can be reversed if it turns out to be a bad idea.

The founders were not too fond of democracy-at least not a pure democracy. That's why they chose to use representatives with term limits. The people in America don't actually vote for any change or vote on issues. We vote for a person to represent us. Now that person can campaign on bringing change, but one elected person won't be able to make any lasting change alone. They need the support of other people, from other areas to agree to bring change. Then they need to agree on what kind of change, and how to do it. This whole process is typically very slow and is pretty different from a pure democracy.

The citizens can't make any change. Not for the most part anyway. They vote for a representative who they believe or at least hope will do what they voted them in to do.

As for love it or get out, I can agree with that belief somewhat. It's one thing to have complaints about your country, no country is perfect by any means, but some people who live here are constantly crapping on the country, talking about how bad it is, but can't list any actual problems, or offer any solutions to there supposed issues, and yet never seem to want to leave. I mean crap, remember all the celebs who threatened to move if Trump won back in 2016? Yet I can't recall any who did. Then a lotta folks threatened it again in 2024. Least this time a couple did move outta here and wasn't just bluffing. If you don't like it here, suggest how to make it better, and if no one else agrees with you, either accept it and move on, keep trying to come up with better solutions or arguments, or just move. Don't just whine about how you hate it here, while offering no real solutions-that's just annoying.

[Dmanwuzhere]

No Sir,
The very founding of this country involved fighting for it!
It was such a serious value that families were so divided that when it fought itself, families even fought each other to defend the values they held dear for this country.
Right or wrong, the vision each person held for this country came down to the willingness to die for their beliefs and the betterment of this country.

If all you have is a voice of dissent and disdain for this wonderful experiment of a constitutional republic, then you will understand why folks would label you a coward and view you with disdain.

Folks throughout our history have had a put-up or shut-up attitude.

Why do you think our military is around 21 percent Mexican?

Who do you think I respect more?
The legal immigrant who signed his name on the dotted line to defend the nation they had to jump through some hoops to get in or the entitled little twit who whines and complains about everything?

It's an easy and obvious choice for me.

I would bear arms because the opportunities this nation has given me and my loved ones and continues to give my offspring.
We do have the freedom of speech and it's wonderful because we can see the core of your values and then judge you on them.

In earlier America, you may have been called on by another citizen to defend the values you espoused, from the wrong end of a revolver.
This era however is full of folks who talk smack while enjoying the luxuries of our constitutional republic.
If you up and leave it because you hate it you might get more respect. But your values don't run that deep

[Most Lee Harmless]

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious,"

[Dmanwuzhere]

a thought by a Canadian
so they should just lay down and give up Canada

[Leo]

Dman and Mel, you two are confusing fighting for the country and fighting for the leader. There is nothing un-patriotic about despising the leader in charge, or refusing to fight a war for them that's designed to give them more power/money. Speaking of which, so many politicians are draft dodgers. So so many. And we still elect them into office and then fight in the wars they start. What a joke. Big difference between back when the country was founded and a war was literally fighting for freedom vs now where it's fighting so some billionaires can make more money off of oil or so we can interfere with some other country to prevent them from becoming communist. A true patriot knows that loving the country doesn't have to mean loving the government. I am surrounded by the notion of people hating America all the time and am somewhat annoyed by it, because it conflates the policy of the government with the country itself. Loving America is much more than about loving the system, it's about loving the people, the community, the beautiful land, the lakes and the oceans and beaches. There's nothing more patriotic than recognizing an imbalance in power and standing up against it. Well, that imbalance is here. It's been hear since the industrial revolution. Corruption is at a ridiculous level where corporate interest surpass the interests of public safety, public health and environmental well-being. I don't hate America, but if the rich want me to go fight in a war for them so that Exxon can secure more oil, I say no