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Re: same old stan

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:23 am

Leo wrote:How do you prove something is yours? Because you bought it? Because a piece of paper says you own it? That's all swell and dandy until an army comes and takes it from you, then it's theirs. A human construct is not, has never been, and will never be, a fact. Borders are not real, property is not real, countries are not real. Does that mean we shouldn't respect those constructs? No. But in the grand universal scheme of things if everyone stopped caring those things would disintegrate.


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Re: same old stan

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:24 am

Meliva wrote:I think if I recall correctly, the romans did rename that area as an insult to the jewish people who lived there, when they conquered the kingdom of Judea. I think they renamed it Palestine, but it might have been another name. They named it something different, and I think it was Palestine, but I may be misremembering. But at that time, Islam didn't even exist. It was like, 6-7 centuries before their prophet was even born.



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The Renaming of Judea: Hadrian’s Attempt to Erase Jewish History by Creating Palestine

The Roman Emperor Hadrian (Publius Aelius Hadrianus), who reigned from 117 to 138 AD, is considered one of the most significant and controversial leaders of the Roman Empire. His reign was marked by important political and administrative reforms and extensive cultural activities. However, one of the most contentious aspects of his rule was his conflict with the Jews and his attempt to eradicate Jewish identity and religion. His decision to rename Judea as Syria Palaestina and the suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–136 AD) left an indelible mark on the history of the region.

Hadrian's Conflict with the Jews
Hadrian's conflict with the Jews was not merely the result of political or military differences but a deeper cultural and religious confrontation. Influenced by Greek philosophy and classical tradition, Hadrian sought to impose Greco-Roman culture across the provinces of the empire. This policy manifested in the founding of the city of Aelia Capitolina on the ruins of Jerusalem and the construction of a temple dedicated to Jupiter on the site of the destroyed Temple of Solomon. To the Jews, this was not just a political act but a profound sacrilege, as it directly challenged the core of their religious beliefs.

The Jewish response was driven by a desire to preserve their identity in the face of an empire that sought uniformity. Hadrian's attempt to ban circumcision, a fundamental Jewish religious practice, heightened tensions. Circumcision was not just a religious rite but a symbol of the covenant between God and Abraham, embodying the Jewish people's absolute faith. The prohibition of circumcision was seen as an attempt to erase Jewish identity itself.

The Bar Kokhba Revolt, led by Simon Bar Kokhba, was the Jewish response to these provocations. Lasting from 132 to 136 AD, this rebellion was marked by intense violence, underscoring the deep-rooted resistance of the Jews to foreign domination and cultural imposition. The revolt presented the Roman Empire with one of its most formidable challenges, reflecting the resilience of Jewish determination to maintain their religious and cultural autonomy.

The Renaming of Judea to Syria Palaestina
Following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt, Hadrian decided to take drastic measures to erase the Jewish presence in the region. One of these actions was the renaming of the province of Judea to Syria Palaestina. This was not merely an administrative change but a deliberate attempt to sever the historical and religious connection of the Jews to their land.

The choice of the name "Palaestina" referred to the ancient Philistines, traditional enemies of the Jews in the Old Testament. By invoking this name, Hadrian aimed to undermine the historical continuity of the Jewish people in the region, stripping them of their claim to the land. The renaming was also a strategic move to prevent any future Jewish uprisings or attempts to reclaim their independence.

The founding of Aelia Capitolina and the renaming of the province were part of a broader policy of cultural assimilation. Hadrian sought not only to impose Greco-Roman culture but also to obliterate any remnants of Jewish religion and history. This policy was particularly harsh, aiming to render the Jews a marginalized minority with no hope of regaining their former glory.


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The Causes of Hadrian's Persecution of Judaism
The reasons behind Hadrian's persecution of Judaism were multifaceted, rooted in his philosophical and political vision. Firstly, Hadrian was a proponent of classical Greek culture and Roman organization. His admiration for Greek culture and architecture made him view Judaism as something foreign and incompatible with the values of the empire. His desire to unify the empire through cultural homogeneity left little room for tolerance toward religions that diverged significantly from the Roman model.

Moreover, the continuous resistance of the Jews to Roman rule made them a persistent thorn in the side of the empire's eastern frontier. The memory of the Jewish Revolt of 66-73 AD was still fresh in Roman minds, influencing Hadrian's decisions. To avoid a recurrence of such events, Hadrian opted to destroy the very foundation of Judaism by imposing severe measures of suppression.

Finally, Hadrian's religious tolerance did not extend to religions he perceived as threats to the political unity of the empire. Unlike other emperors who tolerated or even encouraged religious pluralism, Hadrian saw Judaism, with its strict monotheism and unique practices, as a danger to the imperial order. This perceived threat was exacerbated by the Jews' persistent refusal to fully integrate into Roman society and accept the emperor's supremacy.

Hadrian, though recognized for his cultural initiatives and administrative reforms, left a deep scar on the Jewish people through his actions. His attempt to eradicate Judaism and transform Judea into Syria Palaestina was part of a broader strategy of cultural unification and suppression. His conflict with the Jews was a clash of cultures and religions, with the wounds of this period echoing into modern times. The history of Hadrian and his relationship with Judaism remains one of the most significant chapters in the history of the conflict between religion and power.
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Re: same old stan

Postby Meliva » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:33 am

thanks dman. I knew they had renamed it, but wasn't able to fully recount the details. This is a good refresher lol :D.
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Re: same old stan

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:37 am

Meliva wrote:thanks dman. I knew they had renamed it, but wasn't able to fully recount the details. This is a good refresher lol :D.



lol I'm about done with the research posting I was just trying to show the parrots that research leads to knowledge and true awareness
but I honestly think they enjoy running around squawking for others in the hive :D :D
it wasn't wasted in the sense I learned a few things but it was certainly wasted as a lesson :D :D :D
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Re: same old stan

Postby Meliva » Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:48 am

well it was informative for me too to read up on what the romans renamed the land, and such, so that's something :D
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Re: same old stan

Postby Leo » Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:01 am

Dmanwuzhere wrote:
Meliva wrote:thanks dman. I knew they had renamed it, but wasn't able to fully recount the details. This is a good refresher lol :D.



lol I'm about done with the research posting I was just trying to show the parrots that research leads to knowledge and true awareness
but I honestly think they enjoy running around squawking for others in the hive :D :D
it wasn't wasted in the sense I learned a few things but it was certainly wasted as a lesson :D :D :D


You act like I just read CNN or some random TikTok post and just spew what I hear there. Just because I'm not willing to go through the headache of pulling source after source for some random man on the internet who won't approve of them anyway, doesn't mean I don't do my research. Like I mentioned earlier, my parents are on opposite sides of the political spectrum and I mean that. One is Trump supporter and the other is an leftist anarchist. When I still lived at home I got to switch between houses each week and hear each one's side of the story of current events. I was forced to look heavily into issues, way past the mainstream media and social media is even more useless. All I can say is in the end I found that the Trump supporting parent's views were based almost entirely on a combination of logical fallacies, fear mongering internet preachers and misrepresentation and stretching of the truth. I can't say I don't understand why they believe what they believe, for if I was in their shoes I probably would, but from an outside perspective who has to the best of my ability evaluated their beliefs, in reality it is nonsense. There is certainly parrots on the left and the right, in fact the majority of Americans parrot either CNN, Fox, OANN, or some form of social media. In fact that parent stopped searching for actual news sources and began getting all their news off of X. And I mean all of it. The biggest fallacy of all though, was the notion that the government and big corporations can't be trusted, but for some reason Trump and Elon are an exception. They aren't. They are just two rich people conning the American people to line their own and their rich friends at big oil and big tech's pockets.
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Re: same old stan

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:24 am

of course you have no proof of this con and cant be bothered with proving the con because you only have time to be a good :parrot :D :D :D
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Re: same old stan

Postby Leo » Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:51 am

Sure I have evidence for it but you will claim some other motive for the actions. But here goes.

The dismantling of federal agencies with the intent to replace with privatized versions. For example, employees working for the National Weather Service are being laid off in mass under the guidance of doge. This has led to shut down of weather data centers around the country and now leaves the country vulnerable for "surprise" natural disasters. Now private entities are rising up out of the ashes and wish to charge citizens to use their weather services. But our taxes haven't gone down yet, in fact they are projected to go up with the GOP tax plan. And that same plan gives tax cuts to those making over $150k a year. Not to mention that some of the agencies that DOGE first recommended to be slashed were ones that were investigating spaceX and Tesla for fraud.

Then, the order for 280 million acres of public lands to be turned into lumber. All to the profit of the CEOs of the lumber companies of course and not ever to the taxpayers who fund the land as well as its maintenance. We need trees. They give us clean air. Air quality is worse than it's ever been and we're chopping down the one thing that can help it to reduce lumber prices. Even then, lumber from Canada is better. They have more trees and more unused land to take the trees from, not even to mention that the wood is sturdier because the trees are more temperature resilient. Sorry, but the US should definitely keep our lumber trade with Canada. We will run dry our supply very fast and our wood is just not as good as theirs. And when it's run dry, all that CO2 and carbon monoxide from all the cars and planes and factories we have will come back to bite us in the ass.

Of course it was all a publicity stunt, but the little Tesla dealership set up at the White House the other day. Trump has Musk do his dirty work for him and in return Trump boost's the stock value of his crashing company for him. It will go back down of course, and may even go bankrupt (I will profit immensely from shorting those stocks). I don't see how the richest man in the world doing favors for the president of the United States can't be seen as corruption. It's corruption hiding in plain sight. To think none of this is to benefit either of them is moronic.

Now, a human's job has been given to a robot and that robot is tasked with scouring federal grants to cut any funding for research or business involving a list of keywords. Some of these words include but are not limited to: race, gender, diverse, diversity, disability, women, female
This has caused a multitude of problems where certain programs were labeled as "DEI" simply for including these words. For example, a program that helped special needs children find and keep employment after high school was dismantled because the robot flagged it as DEI and therefore wasteful.

Meanwhile, the tarrifs continue to make everything more expensive and continue to bankrupt small farmers who no longer have customers because their customer base is overseas. It would be great if the US was self sufficient but brutally and quickly jacking the prices of imports just squeezes out the small businesses as they get bought up by larger corporations.
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Re: same old stan

Postby Leo » Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:57 am

Oh I forgot to mention. After performing a psy-op that successfully convinced Americans that we are having an unusual number of plane crashes, DEI hires were blamed and thrown out of air traffic control. Now musk has suggested replacing them with his own spaceX employees... Hmmmmmm
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Re: same old stan

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Fri Mar 14, 2025 3:28 am

Leo wrote:Sure I have evidence for it but you will claim some other motive for the actions. But here goes.

The dismantling of federal agencies with the intent to replace with privatized versions. For example, employees working for the National Weather Service are being laid off in mass under the guidance of doge. This has led to shut down of weather data centers around the country and now leaves the country vulnerable for "surprise" natural disasters. Now private entities are rising up out of the ashes and wish to charge citizens to use their weather services. But our taxes haven't gone down yet, in fact they are projected to go up with the GOP tax plan. And that same plan gives tax cuts to those making over $150k a year. Not to mention that some of the agencies that DOGE first recommended to be slashed were ones that were investigating spaceX and Tesla for fraud.

Then, the order for 280 million acres of public lands to be turned into lumber. All to the profit of the CEOs of the lumber companies of course and not ever to the taxpayers who fund the land as well as its maintenance. We need trees. They give us clean air. Air quality is worse than it's ever been and we're chopping down the one thing that can help it to reduce lumber prices. Even then, lumber from Canada is better. They have more trees and more unused land to take the trees from, not even to mention that the wood is sturdier because the trees are more temperature resilient. Sorry, but the US should definitely keep our lumber trade with Canada. We will run dry our supply very fast and our wood is just not as good as theirs. And when it's run dry, all that CO2 and carbon monoxide from all the cars and planes and factories we have will come back to bite us in the ass.

Of course it was all a publicity stunt, but the little Tesla dealership set up at the White House the other day. Trump has Musk do his dirty work for him and in return Trump boost's the stock value of his crashing company for him. It will go back down of course, and may even go bankrupt (I will profit immensely from shorting those stocks). I don't see how the richest man in the world doing favors for the president of the United States can't be seen as corruption. It's corruption hiding in plain sight. To think none of this is to benefit either of them is moronic.

Now, a human's job has been given to a robot and that robot is tasked with scouring federal grants to cut any funding for research or business involving a list of keywords. Some of these words include but are not limited to: race, gender, diverse, diversity, disability, women, female
This has caused a multitude of problems where certain programs were labeled as "DEI" simply for including these words. For example, a program that helped special needs children find and keep employment after high school was dismantled because the robot flagged it as DEI and therefore wasteful.

Meanwhile, the tarrifs continue to make everything more expensive and continue to bankrupt small farmers who no longer have customers because their customer base is overseas. It would be great if the US was self sufficient but brutally and quickly jacking the prices of imports just squeezes out the small businesses as they get bought up by larger corporations.



Didnt you mention fear mongering?

WASHINGTON ― The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is laying off 1,029 workers as part of President Donald Trump’s mass overhaul of the federal government, according to a NOAA email obtained by USA TODAY.

“It does not include reductions in NWS forecast operations and maintenance support at this time,” the email sent Tuesday to NOAA staff reads. “However, the final determination will be made by the Department of Commerce.”

The FAA did plug into Starlink to test it with their systems but sending Spacex employees to take over wasn't part of that.
you can look up the pricing of starlink if you are worried he's going to make a killing from the test :D :D :D

that kills your first paragraph.

As for Elons fraud bs these are the claimed to be investigations
(saying he slashed costs at agencies that were investigating him is silly
he's going to be suggesting slashes at every agency and there are plenty with no investigations that received cuts lol)

According to Casar, the Department of Defense’s Inspector General was looking into SpaceX when he was fired. The investigation was potentially a result of the Wall Street Journal’s reporting on Musk’s use of illegal drugs and secret conversations with Putin, both of which would be highly problematic for a defense contractor with security clearance.

Also, according to Casar, the Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Agriculture was investigating Neuralink, another Musk company (experimenting with computer brain implants) when he was fired; and the Inspector General of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was repeatedly “taking on” Tesla, when he was fired.

If there were evidence it would not matter who the Ig was it would be all over the news and Trump would drop Elon like a hot cake
Trump and Elon having public approval comes at a cost if it were to dissipate.
But inspector generals are fired asap with each new president. Trump's first win was the only time I saw some stay.
so the firings were normal.

as for the second dose of fear-mongering
As for the 280 million acres to be chopped down lol he couldn't process that many trees in his four years if he tried.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/03/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-rapidly-expands-timber-production/

Fast-tracking approval by bypassing the normal standards is his option as President if he declares an emergency ... like the trade war.
I am not a fan of this particular executive order because I like trees.
However, you wanted unchecked borders and as many folks here as we could get so HEY HO WE WANT ALL THE ILLEGALS SO TREES MUST GO :D

Canada can kiss our azz they are moochers who make an egregious amount of money off trade with us and have imposed tariffs on us to keep us
out of their economy before trump ever dropped a tariff
https://wits.worldbank.org/tariff/trains/en/country/CAN/year/2022/partner/USA/product/all/pagenumber/1/pageSize/200
You can scroll through them at your leisure.

Ah yes the tesla on the white house lawn ... oh how horrible any president who would do that for a donor should be shot


Robotics are a fact of life if the mistake that was made was not corrected you might have an issue otherwise robots have been
making their way in every industry and sometimes programming is bad

You beeched about eggs they are going down along with gas and if you check your left-wing media you will see inflation is going down as well

I guess I won't tell you about how many farmers get paid not to farm in the us ...I've been surrounded by that for years and I really hope that goes away and regulations let small farmers make good on their acres again

reading your mess and researching it showed me you just pull from the media and run with their stories and even mix your own twists to them.

lol so lazy my guy
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