same old stan

[Dmanwuzhere]

But no, they were all probationary workers employed less than a year who had job titles that presented bad optics in the press.
While Trump's vanity saved their jobs by recalling them they were not essential.

This is not true. I know multiple people that had been working for many years and were fired because of DOGE. What defines essential? Why do a few billionaires get to decide who we need and who we don't? Tesla paid $0 in taxes this year. The amount they should've paid would've more than covered the amount "saved" by firing these workers. Now imagine if every billionaire paid the amount they were supposed to instead of weasling their way out through loopholes. But no, instead they're cutting our Medicare and firing park rangers and cutting veterans disability.

Well, to start the newspaper decided to call them essential workers to hype up the stories they were printing, that's how sensationalism works lol.
If your supposed buddies worked there for years then my statement is 100 percent true and they were not included in the probationary firings.
What difference does it make if the President, who is firing people is a billionaire?
The only president I know who comes out of the white house who is worth less than when he went in.
Do you even think before you type?
While it is true that in 5 years Elon Musk has paid 48 million in taxes, this is not due to loopholes it is due to actual tax law.
I can think of two times in recent history that Democrats held power in Washington. Could pass whatever they wanted.
Now you being a Democrat/Commie why did you not petition for the changing of the tax laws?
Why were you not busy in forums demanding they be changed so that the majority of Billionaires that happen to be Democrats
pay more taxes and quit using "loopholes"?
I'll tell you why... its because you don't care.
But to put some context on things your billionaires pay more taxes than 95 percent of the rest of us combined.
So that commie fascist part of you that thinks we should take more should really sit down.
How much did you pay in Taxes the past 5 years lol let me know when you catch that 48 million Elon paid.
Ill be looking for your post 20,000 years from now
you do the least and complain the most typical entitled titty baby


Show me proof of medicare getting cut

the essential workers highlighted by the press were nuke gods people saving us from bird flu and a couple others you can find the stories

[Leo]

"While it is true that in 5 years Elon Musk has paid 48 million in taxes, this is not due to loopholes it is due to actual tax law"

The loopholes are in the tax law... That's what a loophole is. It's perfectly legal but it gives billionaires the ability to skip out on the taxes they should be paying. Closing those loopholes would be a blessing to everyone

[Meliva]

Leo, their enemies seek to kill all of them. Their enemies constantly target and attack their children and civilians. I don't blame them too much if some of the people in the IDF decide to fight fire with fire and shoot their enemies children back. Turnabout is fair play, if one side isn't going to respect certain rules and customs in regards to rules, they have no right to complain if their enemy disregards those same customs in response.

That's a problem with a lot of people today, you expect people to respect certain rules about war, no targetting civilians, no war crimes etc. Yet there is no one who can really enforce those rules, and most nations and soldiers don't care to follow them. War crimes and other atrocities happen all the time in conflicts, yet the only ones I hear people complain about are Israeli ones. Not so much when the Palestinians kill and force themselves onto innocent woman and children. In my opinion, if one side crosses a line, they have no right to complain if the other returns the favor. If you want to make a arrangement that no civilians can be targetted, then both sides need to commit to it. If one side breaks that arrangement, then the other side can do the same.

That's also assuming the Palestinians aren't lying or fabricating them. I'm sure some are fabricated, though some are real.

Also Leo, all the land in the middle east, was held and owned by the ottoman empire. When they dissolved England got a lot of the land, and gave some of it to the Israelis. The rest went to the Arabs. That land was never owned or held by the arabs there. It was held by some foreign power for most of it's existence for the past couple thousand years. Ottomons held it, Byzantine held it, Romans held it, etc.

[Dmanwuzhere]

"While it is true that in 5 years Elon Musk has paid 48 million in taxes, this is not due to loopholes it is due to actual tax law"

The loopholes are in the tax law... That's what a loophole is. It's perfectly legal but it gives billionaires the ability to skip out on the taxes they should be paying. Closing those loopholes would be a blessing to everyone

No, in this instance, they are not loopholes, they are actual laws.
A way of avoiding or escaping a cost or legal burden that would otherwise apply by means of an omission or ambiguity in the wording of a contract or law is the definition of a loophole.
There is no ambiguity or sly wording involved here.
It is worded specifically to allow for a myriad of inputs to determine what you owe as you reach your totals.
That is the law.

[Mack]

I don't understand why even if musk got away with paying $1 in taxes over the last 75 years. That has anything to do with the fact that he is finding all this government corruption and treason money laundering on a huge scale and wasteful spending and trying to find a way to fix it............


Can't you see how they say certain things to direct your attention away from what really matters

[Leo]

I don't blame them too much if some of the people in the IDF decide to fight fire with fire and shoot their enemies children back. Turnabout is fair play, if one side isn't going to respect certain rules and customs in regards to rules, they have no right to complain if their enemy disregards those same customs in response.

That's a pretty awful thing to say. 1. The assumption is that Hamas represents the people of Palestine, which they don't. 2. The assumption is that the children that are being killed are children of Hamas. They aren't. 3. Even if they were, they are children. They didn't ask for any of this. This is why war is so damn stupid. The politicians that start the wars should be the ones fighting each other, but instead they hide behind armies of people who don't want to be there and are forced to fight. oh well, that's war. What's it good for? Not a damn thing

[Dmanwuzhere]

I don't blame them too much if some of the people in the IDF decide to fight fire with fire and shoot their enemies children back. Turnabout is fair play, if one side isn't going to respect certain rules and customs in regards to rules, they have no right to complain if their enemy disregards those same customs in response.

That's a pretty awful thing to say. 1. The assumption is that Hamas represents the people of Palestine, which they don't. 2. The assumption is that the children that are being killed are children of Hamas. They aren't. 3. Even if they were, they are children. They didn't ask for any of this. This is why war is so damn stupid. The politicians that start the wars should be the ones fighting each other, but instead they hide behind armies of people who don't want to be there and are forced to fight. oh well, that's war. What's it good for? Not a damn thing

The facts are 70 percent of Palestinians in several different polls supported the Hamas-led attack.
That means they supported the around 1,200 people killed and some 240 seized and taken as hostages into Gaza.
That includes the rape of women and children.
I'm betting, that the number that liked the response is far smaller because most hate getting what they give when it is evil.
That war was not started by a politician it, was started by Hamas.
So what politician needs to fight?
What's war good for? Despite the lyrics, it is good to show terrorists such as Hamas that you get to choose how to start it but you will learn why you shouldn't have, also commonly referred to as FAFO.

[Mack]

Actions speak much louder than words.. as soon as religion is excluded from the situation the war is over

[Meliva]

I don't blame them too much if some of the people in the IDF decide to fight fire with fire and shoot their enemies children back. Turnabout is fair play, if one side isn't going to respect certain rules and customs in regards to rules, they have no right to complain if their enemy disregards those same customs in response.

That's a pretty awful thing to say. 1. The assumption is that Hamas represents the people of Palestine, which they don't. 2. The assumption is that the children that are being killed are children of Hamas. They aren't. 3. Even if they were, they are children. They didn't ask for any of this. This is why war is so damn stupid. The politicians that start the wars should be the ones fighting each other, but instead they hide behind armies of people who don't want to be there and are forced to fight. oh well, that's war. What's it good for? Not a damn thing

How exactly is it awful? If someone is going to fight with dirty underhanded tactics while they go and do horrendous stuff to your people, why should you be obligated to care for their people when defending yourself?

When the locals there are asked what they think of Hamas or their acitons, most of them celebrate it. These are people who often celebrate whenever harm is done to the jewish state or anyone who isn't them. I can tell you right now, if you asked every person over there what they thought of 9/11 the majority would praise it as a victory. If you asked them about october 7th, the same thing. There are LITERAL videos of them cheering at the victims of the people they hate.

These are not innocent people for the most part. They elected Hamas, who has it as one of their primary goals, the destruction of Israel. They VOTED for that. Now your argument that this happened a while ago, and that the children alive there today didn't vote for it, is rather pointless since,

1-if you get raised in a community that teaches and glorifies hatred and killing of another group, you're probably gonna be the same. 2-if your parents support such an idealogy, you think they will be teaching their children to be tolerant and peaceful people, or teach them to be extremists 3- it's not uncommon for some cowardly evil people, to use children as weapons, so even if you think that child might be innocent, how do you know it doesn't have a damn bomb strapped to it's back and is just waiting for you to get close to take you both out? Give them enough time and the majority of those innocent children are going to be terrorists in the future. Or at the very least support those who become such. Since none of them seem to be willing to condemn any of the atrocities that their side commits.

I'd rather we all live in peace, and I hate how some things are the way they are, but my feelings and my wishes don't affect what the reality is. Which is that so long as Hamas and other evil people are in power over there, they are going to never stop trying to wipe out all they hate. That includes the Jews, that includes me, and it includes you. I dare you to fly over there even during peace times and ask them about their opinions on LGBT rights, or Jewish rights, see what that gets you. Hell if you're feeling brave, why not livestream yourself as you ask them that. Would be very useful for teaching people about who they're defending.

[Dmanwuzhere]

in other news chit stain stan decided to go after lola and lilone when he failed to effectively attack me
so I attacked him again and returned the favor of adding others in his guild to the list

poor feller
you wanted my attention
joined the nation with us real warriors
I assume to learn from us
but I can tell by your tactics
this course is too advanced for you