I love talking about alternate/multi accounts Bonanza

[DezNutz]

Thanks for the explanation Stan. Still I believe that hightop is a multy getting milked wasting a huge amount of resources.

I appreciate you saying hi as well Taylor.

Stan's explanation is wrong.

[Stan Rogers]

Well Dez, I agree that it should not be that way however, the words are there and despite proof is impossible to g3et definitively, the perception that it does happen is prevalent throughout the player base.

Regardless if it is or is not is not the important thing but the fact many players think, rightly or wrongly that it is happening is the biggest elephant in the room.
How does it get fixed ?

[Dmanwuzhere]

i think you and nps are full of multis...... the multi guild disbanded and its leaders are now with you.... answer how you fix that and you will have your answer stan

[Meliva]

Admin and mods will always look into rule violations, and if they find evidence of it, will act. If not, move on.

What we can't do is change people's perceptions. I know some folks probably think I'm a crappy admin/mod. I've had complaints about not doing my job, or being biased or corrupt. Naturally, I do not agree with said complaints, though I can't change them. I'm already doing my duty best as I can.

There will always be those who think the system is broken or being abused. Best admin can do is do their best to root out what violations can be found and do their job to the best of their ability. That's all any of us can do really.

[Stan Rogers]

There will always be those who think the system is broken or being abused. Best admin can do is do their best to root out what violations can be found and do their job to the best of their ability. That's all any of us can do really.

When a couple think its a problem, sour grapes. When a large portion of the player base thinks its a problem, trouble ahead !

[Meliva]

But is it a large portion of the player base? or just a very loud minority? There is a difference, but it can be hard to tell.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Admin and mods will always look into rule violations, and if they find evidence of it, will act. If not, move on.

What we can't do is change people's perceptions. I know some folks probably think I'm a crappy admin/mod. I've had complaints about not doing my job, or being biased or corrupt. Naturally, I do not agree with said complaints, though I can't change them. I'm already doing my duty best as I can.

There will always be those who think the system is broken or being abused. Best admin can do is do their best to root out what violations can be found and do their job to the best of their ability. That's all any of us can do really.

I have accused you of bias before .... but not the kind you hate normally.... you just try to see the better in everyone and you mod accordingly
you wouldn't give special consideration in face of pure facts but in a contested viewpoint you typically go against how I would judge.... but I think you were chosen just because of that

[DezNutz]

Proof is definitive. I believe the term you are looking to use is evidence.

Evidence can be definitive or circumstantial.

If the evidence you have isn't definitive, than it is circumstancial. Circumstancial evidence can be sufficient if enough circumstantial evidence exists where it is beyond a reasonable doubt. In most instances, circumstantial evidence is not sufficient.

CJ doesn't go without sufficient evidence. Belief that someone is and multiple complaints of belief are not definitive or what would be called a preponderance of evidence. I have given CJ information on several players that had some good circumstantial evidence that the players were multis. He did not act after he investigated because the evidence provided wasn't sufficient to deem them multis.

How to fix the issue is that players should stop accusing others of multi-accounting in the open, declaring it as fact in the open, and then continuing to spread the accusation as fact after the game owner has discounted the accusation as unfounded or insufficient.

[Meliva]

I won't deny, I do think I can be overly lenient. I don't like it when people abuse their power or use it too much, so I tend to swerve hard in the opposite direction-to avoid using my power unless deemed necessary. Thankfully there are other mods who can call me out on when I'm being too lenient or passive.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Mac, this last line in CJ's rules is what allows a couple of players here in the game to make as many accounts as they need.

" If an account is considerably weaker than yours, you may aid it as much as you want, even if you are marked as multi-accounts in same pc, but it cannot happen the other way around.

With this carve out, a player can make themselves a whole guild and as long as they play each account to it's own benefit', it is allowed.

Now, we can do one or all of a few things.

1. Ignore them and hope they go away.

2. Start your own little army and fight fire with fire, wage port wars and overall cause disruption in Avonmora.

3. Move on to some other game that has rules more in line with what you are looking for.

The case has been made by many over the few and when you get down to the fine print, these guys are not breaking the rules regardless how unfair it seems to those who play only one account.

this advice from someone who clearly knows better is an attempt to introduce more multis in the game .... either due to salt or as a chance to hide their own