The non telling tales of a un descript trader of goods.

[Argo]

Did I misinterpret your words?

".... we love our rights and we love our guns. It just is."

I think not

[Most Lee Harmless]

The answer is simple but dman avoids it because it conflicts with his stated view : that guns deter crime.

The causes of crime are many and complex. The deterences available to a society are not fixed and immutable. The death penalty should deter, yet it does not. Whole life sentences should deter, yet they do not. Law enforcement should deter, yet it does not.

Poverty causes crime, we are told, yet wealth does not eradicate it either. Riches bring their own temptations to act illegally.

It is all a lot more complicated than an easy fix offered can manage. A gun, in an individual circumstance, may deter a single crime. It can equally be used to commit a crime. In the overall view, the gun is surprisingly nuetral, neither good nor bad, neither positive nor negative.

If I desire to murder you then one tool would be a gun. Another would be a knife, and every home is full of those. Yet not many argue that owning a kitchen full of knives will.protect you from being stabbed. I may mow you down with my car, or simply beat you to death with a baseball bat.

That a US citizen is four times more likely to be murdered than an Australian says more about the propensity to murder than the availability of the various means to do so.

As for the right to bear arms, statistically, when it comes to reviewing the overall murder rate, its no more relevant than the level of car ownership.

[Argo]

What Danik said!!


BTW Lolita - the thread is not about my cognitive abilities, it varies So please stick to the topic and don't make it so.


if the bearing of arms is in fact meant to cut crime .. where in the figures given by dman does it actually show that?

The numbers between the "armed" citizens of a nation v the 'unarmed" citizens of another nation are comparable ... except for the 'armed' nation having 4 times as many folk in jail for offences that guns are supposed to deter them from... ??

This be the question ...

[Meliva]

The answer is simple but dman avoids it because it conflicts with his stated view : that guns deter crime.

The causes of crime are many and complex. The deterences available to a society are not fixed and immutable. The death penalty should deter, yet it does not. Whole life sentences should deter, yet they do not. Law enforcement should deter, yet it does not.

Poverty causes crime, we are told, yet wealth does not eradicate it either. Riches bring their own temptations to act illegally.

It is all a lot more complicated than an easy fix offered can manage. A gun, in an individual circumstance, may deter a single crime. It can equally be used to commit a crime. In the overall view, the gun is surprisingly nuetral, neither good nor bad, neither positive nor negative.

If I desire to murder you then one tool would be a gun. Another would be a knife, and every home is full of those. Yet not many argue that owning a kitchen full of knives will.protect you from being stabbed. I may mow you down with my car, or simply beat you to death with a baseball bat.

That a US citizen is four times more likely to be murdered than an Australian says more about the propensity to murder than the availability of the various means to do so.

As for the right to bear arms, statistically, when it comes to reviewing the overall murder rate, its no more relevant than the level of car ownership.

Those things, law enforcement, death penalty, life sentences, they do deter crime. It's just that no matter how you try to deter crime, there will always be crime. Some people are just demented. Some think they can get away with it. Some just don't care. WIthout those deterrents, crime would go up to insane levels.

[Lil Lola]

Did I misinterpret your words?

".... we love our rights and we love our guns. It just is."

I think not:y

Cherry picking now are we?

[Argo]

Did I misinterpret your words?

".... we love our rights and we love our guns. It just is."

I think not:y

Cherry picking now are we?

if the bearing of arms is in fact meant to cut crime .. where in the figures given by dman does it actually show that?

The numbers between the "armed" citizens of a nation v the 'unarmed" citizens of another nation are comparable ... except for the 'armed' nation having 4 times as many folk in jail for offences that guns are supposed to deter them from... ??

This be the question ...



Mel
That is true for everywhere ... the point here is whether or not the bearing of arms in the US makes a difference to the crime rate when you compare it to a nation, such as Australia, with mostly 'unarmed' citz .. it wouldnt appear so as the numbers are quite comparable ...
and your incarcerations for murder are 4 times higher than that in Australia ...

[Lil Lola]

The answer is simple but dman avoids it because it conflicts with his stated view : that guns deter crime.

The causes of crime are many and complex. The deterences available to a society are not fixed and immutable. The death penalty should deter, yet it does not. Whole life sentences should deter, yet they do not. Law enforcement should deter, yet it does not.

Poverty causes crime, we are told, yet wealth does not eradicate it either. Riches bring their own temptations to act illegally.

It is all a lot more complicated than an easy fix offered can manage. A gun, in an individual circumstance, may deter a single crime. It can equally be used to commit a crime. In the overall view, the gun is surprisingly nuetral, neither good nor bad, neither positive nor negative.

If I desire to murder you then one tool would be a gun. Another would be a knife, and every home is full of those. Yet not many argue that owning a kitchen full of knives will.protect you from being stabbed. I may mow you down with my car, or simply beat you to death with a baseball bat.

That a US citizen is four times more likely to be murdered than an Australian says more about the propensity to murder than the availability of the various means to do so.

As for the right to bear arms, statistically, when it comes to reviewing the overall murder rate, its no more relevant than the level of car ownership.

Lol propensity for murder is higher? seriously that is your conclusion? Good grief lol. There really is nothing further I can say here because that is your opinion, a belief lol.

[Dmanwuzhere]

nice try queenslander but it is murders we are discussing not all crimes as you sick fooks rape folks at a rate to put you ahead
we now have the right to shoot folks like that in some states

which means high crime rate high defend rate aka higher murder rate
but tell me more how your gun free zone is protecting citizens where in several criminal offenses you are leading the world per capita
queensland has 3x the rapes than other territories and states in australia which puts australia on the map as number one rapist nation
go queensland



a nation with no guns leads all nations in several areas of crime
so explain how the no gun model is working
you have far more victims per capita in several areas
obviously victims arent shooting perpetrators
they are just being victimized
at least depending on the year 17 percent to 50 percent of our murders are perpetrators being killed in defensive and justified killings

[Lil Lola]

What Danik said!!


BTW Lolita - the thread is not about my cognitive abilities, it varies So please stick to the topic and don't make it so.


if the bearing of arms is in fact meant to cut crime .. where in the figures given by dman does it actually show that?

The numbers between the "armed" citizens of a nation v the 'unarmed" citizens of another nation are comparable ... except for the 'armed' nation having 4 times as many folk in jail for offences that guns are supposed to deter them from... ??

This be the question ...

Your cognitive ability lol no it's not the topic however that is what to use to form your opinions and statements and the understanding of others statements. If I was going to comment about it I would be blunt about it.

[Lil Lola]

nice try queenslander but it is murders we are discussing not all crimes as you sick fooks rape folks at a rate to put you ahead
we now have the right to shoot folks like that in some states

which means high crime rate high defend rate aka higher murder rate
but tell me more how your gun free zone is protecting citizens where in several criminal offenses you are leading the world per capita
queensland has 3x the rapes than other territories and states in australia which puts australia on the map as number one rapist nation
go queensland

Oh, can shoot a rapist here.