Extended Griefing is prohibited

[Argo]

Attacking players who aren’t involved is just childish in my opinion. Stick with the trouble maker, not the uninvolved. It’s like shooting a dudes mother because her son decided to steal a candy bar from a store.

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[Meliva]

hmmmmmm....... I disagree.

How is that different than hiring someone.... or a group of people to retaliate for you if you get hit.

player A casts on player B......

Player B hits player As an entire guild in retaliation......

if that is wrong then....

Player A casts on Player B....

Player B hires a group of players to retaliate on player A ......
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in both cases, players that were not involved were brought into the conflict

If one is wrong then so is the other.

There are 2 main differences between those things.

In the case of hitting people associated with your target, you are dragging people into the conflict with no say on their part, and are hurting people who had nothing to do with your issue.

In the case of hiring people to hit someone, those people can say no to your offer, and can decide not to take part in the conflict. Even if they do agree, they are paid for joining the conflict and do so willingly.

Now, whether or not both are right, or both are wrong, or one is right the other not is dependent on the person. However the only similarity is that both involve getting more people involved in a conflict.

Now in my opinion, dragging folks into a fight and hitting folks associated with your target is just low-especially if it's weaker folks. Hiring folks to help, is not a big deal to me though-can be a bit low though depending on circumstances. Those are just my opinions. I'm sure plenty disagree

[sXs]

Again I disagree. This is a game based on conflict "Pirate" Glory.

guild definitio
:an association of people for mutual aid or the pursuit of a common goal.

If you attack someone as a member of your guild, you are taking a guild action. Part of being in a guild is being responsible for each other. You are all bound together by some common goal or reason. If you want to be able to attack people without reprisals to people associated with you then you should fly the black and play a solo game. Even in CJ's comments, he stated that this scenario is not griefing, it is considered "war". and war is welcomed.

[PFH]

Again I disagree. This is a game based on conflict "Pirate" Glory.

guild definitio
:an association of people for mutual aid or the pursuit of a common goal.

If you attack someone as a member of your guild, you are taking a guild action. Part of being in a guild is being responsible for each other. You are all bound together by some common goal or reason. If you want to be able to attack people without reprisals to people associated with you then you should fly the black and play a solo game. Even in CJ's comments, he stated that this scenario is not griefing, it is considered "war". and war is welcomed.

Could the same be applied to nation interests as well?

[sXs]

If you cast something like props then yes. If the attack affects a nation a nation as well then absolutely.

[PFH]

Well hostile natives on one player doesn’t affect the guild. So why should a few hostile natives on 1 player allow justice to attack a bunch of uninvolved players?

[Meliva]

Again I disagree. This is a game based on conflict "Pirate" Glory.

guild definitio
:an association of people for mutual aid or the pursuit of a common goal.

If you attack someone as a member of your guild, you are taking a guild action. Part of being in a guild is being responsible for each other. You are all bound together by some common goal or reason. If you want to be able to attack people without reprisals to people associated with you then you should fly the black and play a solo game. Even in CJ's comments, he stated that this scenario is not griefing, it is considered "war". and war is welcomed.

To which part do you disagree with? I never said anything about griefing. You asked what is the difference between attacking guildmates, and hiring folks to attack for you. I explained to you that there are 2 major differences between the 2 actions. Hiring aid is consensual and provides payment, while hitting guild mates gives them no choice in the matter and harms them. Or do you disagree with that? Do you see and understand the difference?

As for the guild situation, Logic like yours is the kind of logic that ends up in all out wars. It's how things escalate. I hit you, and you alone, then frankly, I see that as a me and you scenario. Sure, you could hit me and my guild back, which in turn might end up in a guild war. Dragging far more people into a conflict that could have stayed small. If you like conflicts to escalate, then sure, good way to do so by hitting folks who had nothing to do with it. Not every action taken by a guild member should be seen as an action of the guild as a whole. Far as I know, no guild controls or dictates the every action of it's members. That's more a hivemind-not a guild. Plus, a guild could have a common goal, and people would work to it, but would have other goals that are personal.

[xxTaaaaylorxx]

Seeking autonomy within a collective while trying to enforce your will, rules, and standards upon a solitary individual is flawed logic.

[Meliva]

Seeking autonomy within a collective while trying to enforce your will, rules, and standards upon a solitary individual is flawed logic.

Is that directed at me, or Feniks, or just in general? I agree that you are right in that regard to a degree. Depending on the guild, they may have different levels of autonomy for it's members. If you can't conform to those standards, then the guild will probably remove you or you may leave on your own. I know Vudu is pretty high on autonomy, for example, least from what I know.

Also, not sure if you think that I am trying to force my standards and will upon you, but just in case you think that, I would like to clarify that I don't. I don't agree with some of your actions, but so long as no rules are broken you are free to play the game however you want. Again, I do apologize for any inconvenience over griefing rules, as I did not know all the details and did not think to contact you about it. I can be very absent minded at times honestly so just ignore this silly old woman for the most part