Extended Griefing is prohibited

[sXs]

I completely disagree with the profit premise in this for several reasons. Also, what standards are going to be used?

#1. Anyone who hires Merc can be considered as causing a "griefing" action if profit is the standard. The person hiring Merc is actually paying someone else to do their bidding so has absolutely no profit motive. Yes Merc is profiting from the action, but the initiator is not and can ask Merc to make it last as long as their bank allows.

#2. With undercover voodoo in game, determining the one responsible can be impossible.

#3. "Griefing" is not just a PvP matter. If it was, there would have been no need for TKP to form. As I understand it, it was a guild v player matter as well as a PvP matter. You could also add nation issues into this.

I appreciate the "hands off" approach that admin has taken, but if you are going to address one aspect of "griefing", then all aspects should be addressed

To understand more, could we please get a more detailed idea of what would fall under this?

[PFH]

The profit for the customer is that the job got done. Have you been a mercenary before?

[sXs]

The profit for the customer is that the job got done. Have you been a mercenary before?

By that standard, there is no such gameplay action as "griefing" by CJ's definition in OP.

I am not against Merc doing what they do, but CJ laid out the standard in the OP. I am just pointing out the flaw in using profit as a determining factor.

There are several strategies that are used in game tat involve no profit motive at all. Some of those strategies can last an extended period of time and therefore could fall under this definition.

[PhoenixKnight]

I agree that more solid definition is needed or at least some guidelines

[sXs]

I agree that more solid definition is needed or at least some guidelines

That was the point of my post. It is too subjective and needs a bit more detail.

[xxTaaaaylorxx]

Hi Meliva,
Griefing- let's talk about it.

I don't have tons of free time so I will post what I want to say here then you and whoever may continue the discussion as you see fit.

After logging into 50 casts from a member of your guild, I responded by casting on the guilty party and when that did not make me feel better I cast on several more members in your guild.
This understandably got those members casting on me and so that's how it was for a couple of days.
Then a member informed me they were shedding ships and would be casting on me in retaliation and defense of his guild.
Again completely understandable, so I commandeered some of their ships to keep the shipwright in business.

I did not whine and cry while wearing voodoo from several members at once for multiple days in a row.
You, however, decided to read this topic and claim I was griefing.

So I thought I would post a few things you seem to have overlooked in this article.
In the interest of time, I will just post them below and you can find the relativity and where it is applicable or not.

All will be quotes from CJ.


Griefing a player for an unjust action your player suffered, as you perceive it, is legitimate.
If your player wants to react badly to an attack, it is your right.

-If during the "breath time", the victim finds time to attack back, then this is not a griefing case, this is a war. War is welcomed.

To summarize, we have never took an action in regards to this rule. We do not want to interfere at such level. We prefer that players find ways to solve such cases on their own.

-24 hours of onslaught for a fair warning
-3 days of onslaught for a harsh warning
-7 days of onslaught for an overkill

In closing, while I may not log in as often as I should, I can't help but think that if you are teaching newer players that when you do not like in-game actions you should try to find a way to make it reportable then you yourself are adding to the problem.
For the veterans, I was casting on if you bought into this nonsense you too need to rethink how you are training newer players.
If I was ill-informed on the situation then I offer my apologies, however, I still fully intend on casting as I see fit, at my leisure, or as I am allowed when not wearing voodoo that prohibits it.
Mostly because I can, and partly, too now prove it's not prohibited griefing.
Thanks for reading and have a nice day.

[PFH]

I do have to ask. If someone fixes the damages on your ships for you, without cost or payment for that repair from said player, is it still considered a grief case?

I mean, if you had targetable ships to hit in retaliation, but someone fixes the levied ships for you for free, then the initial target is at no cost to the caster/offender. Assuming they don’t plunder their target that they cast upon in the first place. Since the target is casting at no cost and no profit, wouldn’t that still be griefing? Especially if it’s a repeating occurrence

Just out of curiosity.

[DezNutz]

I do have to ask. If someone fixes the damages on your ships for you, without cost or payment for that repair from said player, is it still considered a grief case?

I mean, if you had targetable ships to hit in retaliation, but someone fixes the levied ships for you for free, then the initial target is at no cost to the caster/offender. Assuming they don’t plunder their target that they cast upon in the first place. Since the target is casting at no cost and no profit, wouldn’t that still be griefing? Especially if it’s a repeating occurrence

Just out of curiosity.

Want to make sure I understand what you're asking.

Player A casts Call Leviathan on Player B's Ship
Player C casts Expedition Journey on Player B's Ship

Are you asking if Person C is griefing?

[PFH]

Player b casts on player a

Player a retaliates and casts on player b’s ships w levies

Player c fixes damaged ships for free

This is repeated

Is Player b Griefing?

[xxTaaaaylorxx]

I do have to ask. If someone fixes the damages on your ships for you, without cost or payment for that repair from said player, is it still considered a grief case?

I mean, if you had targetable ships to hit in retaliation, but someone fixes the levied ships for you for free, then the initial target is at no cost to the caster/offender. Assuming they don’t plunder their target that they cast upon in the first place. Since the target is casting at no cost and no profit, wouldn’t that still be griefing? Especially if it’s a repeating occurrence

Just out of curiosity.

Want to make sure I understand what you're asking.

Player A casts Call Leviathan on Player B's Ship
Player C casts Expedition Journey on Player B's Ship

Are you asking if Person C is griefing?

He isn't asking you to conduct a free-thinking exercise on a hypothetical situation Deznutz.
That discombobulated mass of words, resembling English, is just the result of his tear ducts byproducts being converted to text.
Instead, he's asking that you provide his wounded ego with the attention it craves.

I ignored it as I do him.
Just nod your head and tell him he's a big boy and he scares everyone, pat him on the head, and watch him run around happy someone entertained his delusions.