the outback

[DezNutz]

Neither getting nor not getting the vaccine is a death sentence.

If you get the vaccine, why do you care if someone chooses not to get it? Your vaccinated.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Nobody is forced to get vaccinated. If you choose not to there are obstacles.

Some employers will not employ you. But then, bosses have never been shy about holding their employees to standards of dress, presentation or behaviour. In the logistics industry most drivers can expect regular random drug/alcohol testing. Such tests are a condition of employment. Employers can decide if beards, tattoos or piercings are acceptable. None of these things are compulsory but if you choose to refuse random drug testing don't expect Amazon, UPS, FedEx, DHL, DPD or any other major outfit to employ you.

Some employers will not employ smokers, or will restrict health care packages for them. Some landlords will not rent to smokers yet smoking is not illegal.

Should I care if you refuse to be vaccinated? Not in the slightest : go ahead : get sick and die. Please. The fewer 'stupid genes' that reproduce then all the better.

What I will care about is that your dumbass filling a hospital bed through your own stupidity might impinge on the ability of the hospital to treat folk who have genuine illnesses.

But, other than that : feel free to get sick.

[DezNutz]

So your opinion is that not being vaccinated is a death sentence?

The mortality rate of COVID must be astronomical.

[Mack]

havnt you heard its a pandimic its going to kill millions and millions

[Most Lee Harmless]

So your opinion is that not being vaccinated is a death sentence?

The mortality rate of COVID must be astronomical.

Nope, my opinion is that if you choose to stand out in the rain without a coat you will get wet, you may get a chill, you may catch pnuemonia, you may die.

Death is not certain but far more likely than if you wore a coat. Wearing a coat is no guarantee of not catching a cold but it much reduces that possibility.

A thousand people could stand out in the rain not wearing a coat and only one might die from double pnuemonia as a consequence. Your argument is that such a low mortality rate is proof that there is no need to.wear a coat in the rain.

It is not just the deaths. It is the number of folk lying in beds with medical staff working around the clock to make sure they dont die. It is the number of folk off work who may not be hospitalised but will be ill. It is the resources and time and effort of families caring for those ill people. It is more than a mortality rate.

[DezNutz]

So your opinion is that not being vaccinated is a death sentence?

The mortality rate of COVID must be astronomical.

Nope, my opinion is that if you choose to stand out in the rain without a coat you will get wet, you may get a chill, you may catch pnuemonia, you may die.

Death is not certain but far more likely than if you wore a coat. Wearing a coat is no guarantee of not catching a cold but it much reduces that possibility.

A thousand people could stand out in the rain not wearing a coat and only one might die from double pnuemonia as a consequence. Your argument is that such a low mortality rate is proof that there is no need to.wear a coat in the rain.

It is not just the deaths. It is the number of folk lying in beds with medical staff working around the clock to make sure they dont die. It is the number of folk off work who may not be hospitalised but will be ill. It is the resources and time and effort of families caring for those ill people. It is more than a mortality rate.

Besides being a strawman.

No my argument isn't that there is no need to wear a coat in the rain. My argument is that you shouldn't mandate people to wear a coat, because someone may die from double pneumonia.

And while COVID and Influenza (FLU) are different, the same logical points apply. The flu can result ultimately in your death. The flu shot reduces the risks of such. The flu shot is not and should not be mandated. It is highly recommended for those in high risk groups, and still recommended for all, but is ultimately the individuals decision to get. The risks associated in not taking the flu shot are theirs to make. If you want to protect yourself, go ahead and get the shots, if you feel that you don't need it, then don't.

COVID, like influenza, is not going to just go away. There is no vaccinated immunization for it, like there is for smallpox or polio. This is apparent as those that get the COVID vaccination are still susceptible to get COVID and spread it.

Ultimately, the decision to get the COVID vaccination is up to the individual and what they deem as an acceptable risk to them.

[Most Lee Harmless]

I have said nothing much about being for or against mandated vax because, as far as I can see, the sector wanting to mandate jabs is the employers being driven by the insurers. The accuracy of the amount is unproved to me but one airline companies health insurers quoted $50,000 as the end cost to the insurer of an employee being infected.

It is not the mighty 'Libtard Conspiracy' driving mandatory vaccination : it is cold hard economics, plain old profit and loss and God Bless Harvard Business School.

Myself, I think getting vaxxed is the smart move, it is the obvious one. Not getting vaxxed is just stupid, selfish and inconsiderate. Alas, too many see such traits as both laudable and desirable.

[Dmanwuzhere]

yeah its not like dems and repubs would push for something that they arent getting paid for lol

https://www.salon.com/2021/07/29/scott- ... harma-hr3/


"From 1999 to 2018, the pharmaceutical and health product industry recorded $4.7 billion-an average of $233 million per year-in lobbying expenditures at the federal level, more than any other industry. Of the spending, the trade group Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America accounted for $422 million (9.0%), and the other 19 top companies and organizations in this industry accounted for $2.2 billion (46.8%). The industry spent $414 million on contributions to candidates in presidential and congressional elections, national party committees, and outside spending groups. Of this amount, $22 million went to presidential candidates and $214 million went to congressional candidates. Of the 20 senators and 20 representatives who received the most contributions, 39 belonged to committees with jurisdiction over health-related legislative matters, 24 of them in senior positions. The industry contributed $877 million to state candidates and committees, of which $399 million (45.5%) went to recipients in California and $287 million (32.7%) went to recipients in 9 other states. In years in which key state referenda on reforms in drug pricing and regulation were being voted on, there were large spikes in contributions to groups that opposed or supported the reforms."

you can find the numbers for the previous years not included but this study just shows how much they paid to keep the cap off of drugs pricing which would have capped it at 120 percent over places like canada and japan and some other countries

lol here's the vaccine it will save you and will end lockdowns... not really here's another one and we need mail in ballots again so lets lock down again so we can keep the dead voting

anyone who takes a vaccine that is not capable of holding the manufacturer responsible for future side effects or even bad batches should only do so because they have underlying conditions that make covid deadly for them
monoclonal antibiotics are working just fine at limiting the effects on folks with underlying conditions and healthy alike so unless you fear that any documented underlying condition may bring you death I would suggest you forego a vaccine until the manufacturer can be held liable for its product

to pretend to catch covid is a death sentence is retarded about a tenth of the USA has gotten it and the death rate is less than 1 percent

from January to April this year

230,000 deaths from heart disease
200,000 to cancer
75,000 to covid
61,000 chronic lower respiratory diseases
55,000 to accidents
52,000 to strokes

so it seems heart disease and cancer are more of a problem yet no free heart and cancer medications and treatments so I guess these free vaccines arent from a spirit of helping USA citizens .... so I wonder why its so important and its numbers are not even close to the top 2 killers that have never received any issued mandates on cigs, fast food or any other known contributor to those diseases

well I know why on the tobacco but that's a whole other gripe but as usual the money is in politicians hands and some states outlawed vape to maximize their payout lol a loss to big tobbaky would have been a loss to them so no competition for big tobbaky allowed

https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/what-we ... tatereport

[D00T]

Must be just the US then.

[sXs]

There is 1 good thing coming from Covid. It has essentially wiped out the flu.

2018-2019 Flu season in US was responsible for 490,600 hospitalizations and 34,200 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html



2020-2021 Flu Season ,1674 cases, 37 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm


Amazing!!!!