the outback

[D00T]

I'll say its more like everyone has a bomb vest that could potentially explode and some people are refusing to deactivate theirs.

[Dmanwuzhere]

funny less than 2 percent of the population has died from covid so I guess the bomb vest was made by biden cause its weak af
so a virus that's 98 percent ineffective needs a vaccine that's 95 percent effective lol that's funny right there i don't care who you are

now if you are obese have high blood pressure immune system deficiencies or any of the documented outliers that cause death from covid then you might want to consider taking a vaccination that the manufacturers needed a clause to remove any liability from them in order to produce and sell but ill pass

[sXs]

I'll say its more like everyone has a bomb vest that could potentially explode and some people are refusing to deactivate theirs.

The Vaccine does not prevent you from getting the virus.

The Vaccine does not prevent you from shedding the virus.

Not from me.... From Dr Faucci testifying before Congress

Vaccines only lessen the affects of the virus to the person that has received the vaccine. But the affects are limited and decrease over time. 6-8 months

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_IB8MjgkvQ

Masks only capture 10% of the aerosol so 90% ineffective

https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.08800
Peer reviewed scholarly article.

That is the science. That is not my opinion or a conspiracy theory. Israel is the most vaccinated country on the planet. Over 80 percent now full vaxed. Their numbers are spiking to higher levels than they had pre vax.

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/covid-19-cases-israel-rise-despite-third-shot-those-over-60

That is real world data.

People are rioting and protesting. Lockdowns put in place by politicians are based on arbitrary numbers that the science has shown have no merit.

You bomb vest analogy holds no water whatsoever.

[D00T]

I believe vaccines are suppose to stop viruses from latching onto possible host cells by preparing your immune system with antibodies. If they can't latch on then they can't replicate -> Less chance of replication -> Less virion in your body -> Less virion -> Less chance of it exiting your body.

Also isn't the study about, and I quote, "impaired protection is mainly due to imperfect fitting of the masks"?

[sXs]

I believe vaccines are suppose to stop viruses from latching onto possible host cells by preparing your immune system with antibodies. If they can't latch on then they can't replicate -> Less chance of replication -> Less virion in your body -> Less virion -> Less chance of it exiting your body.

Also isn't the study about, and I quote, "impaired protection is mainly due to imperfect fitting of the masks"?

What you BELIEVE is irrelevant. You are correct about some studies about poor-fitting masks. Governments are not dictating you get custom fitted masks. In fact, they are saying simple cloth masks are effective.

As far as your first point. That was the intent of the vaccine manufacturers but that is not the case. Fully vaxxed people shed the virus at only a slightly lower rate. Delta variant is shed at the same rate no matter your vax status.



Slight edit.

Fully vaxed people people show a 40% reduction in virus present in nasal swabs in 1 study.... another showed fully vaxxed had 32% less.

But the virus was present which means the ability to transmit is still at 100%

[D00T]

Wait cloth masks? Those thing were never effective, I thought it was standard to use surgical masks(Those paper/cloth/idk what its called) ones with elastic straps.

Also the study about poor fitting masks was the one you linked in the post above(https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.08800)

I do admit that the bomb vest analogy was pretty bad.

PS. By "I believe" I had meant what I could understand from the sources I looked up, sorry for any misinterpretations

[sXs]

Oh one point I forgot to mention. I have been fully vaccinated. I have "Underlying" conditions.

Still doesnt change the facts though.

[The Lamb]

I believe vaccines are suppose to stop viruses from latching onto possible host cells by preparing your immune system with antibodies. If they can't latch on then they can't replicate -> Less chance of replication -> Less virion in your body -> Less virion -> Less chance of it exiting your body.

Also isn't the study about, and I quote, "impaired protection is mainly due to imperfect fitting of the masks"?

I did get the Vaccine, but doot, I believe your confusing a "cure" with a "vaccine". Dman and Feniks are right. As an example, the flu vaccine didnt eradicate the flu, it just makes you less likely to have bad symptoms if you get it because your immune system is ready for it (if they guess the right strain that year). The flu shot does not stop the catching or transfer of the flu between people.

Neither does the covid vaccine. I think politics had lead to some misunderstandings by people as leaders wanted to relax their imposed lockdowns before the masses relaxed them for them.

[The Lamb]

Wait cloth masks? Those thing were never effective, I thought it was standard to use surgical masks(Those paper/cloth/idk what its called) ones with elastic straps.

Also the study about poor fitting masks was the one you linked in the post above(https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.08800)

I do admit that the bomb vest analogy was pretty bad.

PS. By "I believe" I had meant what I could understand from the sources I looked up, sorry for any misinterpretations

One way to think about masks. Smoke particles are larger than covid, so if you can smell smoke through a mask, it wont stop covid from coming in. Masks were not to stop the person wearing it from catching anything, its to stop large fluid droplets from leaving the person wearing it. So in that sence its very effective, just not in keeping people from catching things.

Surgical masks do the same thing. Its not to keep the surgeon from catching what the patient has during surgery . There was a reason all N95 masks were diverted to hospitals in the beginning and it wasn't because of a surgical mask shortage

[sXs]

"Shepparton, a Victorian town that sits along the Goulburn River, has seen a third of its population placed in self-isolation.

An outbreak of the Delta variant led the Victorian government to put the town under ‘stay-at-home’ orders, leaving residents unable to shop for essential items.

There are only 85 cases among the population of 60,000, but that was enough to prompt a severe mandatory shutdown of the area.

According to the Shepparton News, there are 9,000 close contacts within the outbreak of which 83% have already returned a negative test result.

A week into the lockdown and the town is running desperately short on food. Panic began when supplies of bread and milk vanished off the shelves."

what is worse. The virus or the politically mandated reaction? This scenario is playing out all around Australia.

By the way, of those 85 confirmed cases there have been 0 deaths.