TRUMP 2020!

[William one eye]

I think a one world order would be kinda neat ! The vote count for leader would be quite the task however.

Things would be pretty much the same as it currently is but there would be a really big marketplace to buy/sell/manufacture/innovate. You like to build cars? just move to where they are building cars. You design software ? You get the picture.

Defense contracts would go out the window as there would be no one to fight against.

Yep...impossible dreams but... look at all the money we would save.

Probably still going to need a strong military to force those pesky rebllious nations that refuse to join your club to get in line.

This military can also make certain people of this new world all live happy productive lives and never dissagree with the system

I would suspect the govenment will just decide your job based on your skills and have you moved to the region where your are most useful.

And we can just redistribute all the worlds reasouces based on were the goverment thinks they are needed.


Sounds lovely.

Ill save at least 1 bullet for my own head before im imprisoned for not joining up.

[Stan Rogers]

Sounds lovely.

Ill save at least 1 bullet for my own head before im imprisoned for not joining up.

Don't waste a bullet, use a rope. A bullet makes too much mess for the clean up crew to deal with.

[Lachlan]

you have some weird thought processes
according to you if a politician has gotten the rona they care more for their country
which contradicts your views on trump who has had the rona
unless catching the rona makes you sick and morally a better person as a side effect
the view is quite silly and contradicts any argument you have had on trump thus far

as for younger or older i prefer an older politician simply because in the current climate its all about your feelings
and young folks have tons of feelings
as you mature you realize feelings have less impact on reality than you as a youngster thinks they should

take what you just said to meliva
you feel there had to be a reason so obama was justified
your feeling that there must be a reason has little effect on the fact needless innocents were killed
it doesnt change we have the tech and the intelligence gathering capabilities to literally choose the when where and payload of explosives
to strike someone pissing at 3 am in their current bathroom and leave the house intact
then their is snipers and abduction teams etc available from the different branches of our military

but strike all that because your feelings do not allow for mistakes to happen with those you choose to support
and in the same thought process your feelings condemn those you dont support
facts over feelings will always win an argument and not make you look like a see saw

Dman Trump was a completely separate thing, not in any way related to this. I said that because if a politician catches it and gets sick from it they realize hey it's real and deadly and appreciate the full danger of it. I also think that having at least a few politicians as younger 30-40 year old politicians is good as it brings a fresh perspective and possibly a new outlook on things. I'm also saying if there was no good reason to kill the terrorist then and there he would not have. I'm also saying I don't understand why a lot of people outside the US do not like him and also the media while he is so popular here

you prove my point
you dont like trump so you create data to support your feelings
where is your data that supports politicians who have had the rona suddenly change any current views they once had concerning the rona
if you have one example it still would not represent the sum of those who fit that bill

if you dont like what trump does he is a bumbling idiot again because you dont like him
but take obama someone you like and with no knowledge as to the why of the strike suddenly
obama did it so he must have had a reason and that makes the killing of innocents ok
big difference in opinion dont ya think and its solely based on feelings

dont be so wishy washy with your standards i can criticize both trump and obama as well as refer to anything good they did for the usa that i support
however with obama who i voted for the first time he did little after the 1st year in my opinion
being my choice of candidates did not excuse him from responsibility and i reformed my opinion based on his actions

laziness and feelings are what you are offering and im not buying
i wont comment what others love or hate about a politician as i havent seen any listing of everyone followed with their thoughts and seen any evidence offered from them
i know my reasoning and can tell you why and wont offer the view of others
just my view and easily obtained data to support my argument

wtf? I didn't say that it was okay for him to kill innocent people. That's bullshit Dman I never said anything. I said he must have had a reason to initiate that strike. Also I haven't 'created' data which is again bullshit since I gave one example not even related to him it was related to Coronavirus. I also never said they would change their view lol. I said if they get it they realize it is real and not fake and made up and will therefore take it more seriously and enact sensible steps to stop less people getting Coronavirus and not solely. I mean most of what you said you've basically made up and said I have said those stuff when in fact I didn't, the only thing you just wrote remotely true is that I am a bit biased against Obama but I kept an open view and asked you and everyone else why does the media like Obama and stuff and hate Trump. And I also got that the second time he was elected he had much less votes now which I did not know beforehand

[Lachlan]

I think a one world order would be kinda neat ! The vote count for leader would be quite the task however.

Things would be pretty much the same as it currently is but there would be a really big marketplace to buy/sell/manufacture/innovate. You like to build cars? just move to where they are building cars. You design software ? You get the picture.

Defense contracts would go out the window as there would be no one to fight against.

Yep...impossible dreams but... look at all the money we would save.

Probably still going to need a strong military to force those pesky rebllious nations that refuse to join your club to get in line.

This military can also make certain people of this new world all live happy productive lives and never dissagree with the system

I would suspect the govenment will just decide your job based on your skills and have you moved to the region where your are most useful.

And we can just redistribute all the worlds reasouces based on were the goverment thinks they are needed.


Sounds lovely.

Ill save at least 1 bullet for my own head before im imprisoned for not joining up.

I think if we ever meet aliens though we would need to be more unified then we are now to be able to defend ourselves if we need to. I think something like the European Union for each continent would be better

[Most Lee Harmless]

I think it is far more likely we are seeing the end of the large unified state system. I reckon we shall see a continuing dismantling of states as they split and secede into near-tribal divisions. A return almost to the old european set up of city states and regions.
Given the oncoming disputes over resources and access to them, after such a fracturing of current institutions of government, a long steady period of minor local conflicts and wars will end in a Bismarckian process of creating new entities. So, think of a Hundred Years War scenario followed by expansionist militarists and then the cycle will return to unweildy enforced unions who will bicker and squabble until it all falls apart again.
The current system of nations are all the products of one successful militarist tribe subsuming the less successful into their nation. Once the military power ebbs the nations / empires tend to collapse also back into their constituent parts. Plus ca change.

[Dmanwuzhere]

and young folks have tons of feelings


Dman Trump was a completely separate thing, not in any way related to this. I said that because if a politician catches it and gets sick from it they realize hey it's real and deadly and appreciate the full danger of it. I also think that having at least a few politicians as younger 30-40 year old politicians is good as it brings a fresh perspective and possibly a new outlook on things. I'm also saying if there was no good reason to kill the terrorist then and there he would not have. I'm also saying I don't understand why a lot of people outside the US do not like him and also the media while he is so popular here

you prove my point
you dont like trump so you create data to support your feelings
where is your data that supports politicians who have had the rona suddenly change any current views they once had concerning the rona
if you have one example it still would not represent the sum of those who fit that bill

if you dont like what trump does he is a bumbling idiot again because you dont like him
but take obama someone you like and with no knowledge as to the why of the strike suddenly
obama did it so he must have had a reason and that makes the killing of innocents ok
big difference in opinion dont ya think and its solely based on feelings

dont be so wishy washy with your standards i can criticize both trump and obama as well as refer to anything good they did for the usa that i support
however with obama who i voted for the first time he did little after the 1st year in my opinion
being my choice of candidates did not excuse him from responsibility and i reformed my opinion based on his actions

laziness and feelings are what you are offering and im not buying
i wont comment what others love or hate about a politician as i havent seen any listing of everyone followed with their thoughts and seen any evidence offered from them
i know my reasoning and can tell you why and wont offer the view of others
just my view and easily obtained data to support my argument

wtf? I didn't say that it was okay for him to kill innocent people. That's bullshit Dman I never said anything. I said he must have had a reason to initiate that strike. Also I haven't 'created' data which is again bullshit since I gave one example not even related to him it was related to Coronavirus. I also never said they would change their view lol. I said if they get it they realize it is real and not fake and made up and will therefore take it more seriously and enact sensible steps to stop less people getting Coronavirus and not solely. I mean most of what you said you've basically made up and said I have said those stuff when in fact I didn't, the only thing you just wrote remotely true is that I am a bit biased against Obama but I kept an open view and asked you and everyone else why does the media like Obama and stuff and hate Trump. And I also got that the second time he was elected he had much less votes now which I did not know beforehand

he must have had a reason is dismissive of the deaths of innocents and confirms you are defending the action
not just creating data but data that applies to everyone who catches the rona except trump
you realize if someone goes from believing its fake to believing its real and deadly thats changing their view right
i dont think anyone thinks the corona is fake
the argument of deadly however depends on how many pre existing health issues you have that make it deadly
the availability of the tests have slowed the deaths down not because its gotten less deadly
but because doctors and hospitals can lie far less now
the mandate to attribute every death to covid despite something else doing the killing has slowed to a trickle
and now we see its not as deadly as reported in the beginning
i mean i use the same two examples over and over but there are thousands of deaths attributed to the rona
that literally had no involvement in the death

[Dmanwuzhere]

I think it is far more likely we are seeing the end of the large unified state system. I reckon we shall see a continuing dismantling of states as they split and secede into near-tribal divisions. A return almost to the old european set up of city states and regions.
Given the oncoming disputes over resources and access to them, after such a fracturing of current institutions of government, a long steady period of minor local conflicts and wars will end in a Bismarckian process of creating new entities. So, think of a Hundred Years War scenario followed by expansionist militarists and then the cycle will return to unweildy enforced unions who will bicker and squabble until it all falls apart again.
The current system of nations are all the products of one successful militarist tribe subsuming the less successful into their nation. Once the military power ebbs the nations / empires tend to collapse also back into their constituent parts. Plus ca change.

[Mack]

So I'm guessing all this fraud and deception is being overlooked and you guys still support Biden and say Trump is being unconstitutional for bringing to light all of the fraud and deception

[Most Lee Harmless]

Hasn't been a court yet found grounds for those allegations. Both Rep and Dem controlled electoral bodies say there wasnt any in their patch, re-counts havent found any proof of the allegations, FBI dont seem concerned, cops aint concerned, the body set up to look into interference aint concerned.
So, obviously, it must be a massive conspiracy to cover it up...
Um.. its not unconstitutional to claim there was fraud. He could claim the votes were switched by Martian shape-shifting lizards and that's fine. It's not unconstitutional to be upset he lost. It's not unconstitutional for him to sit in the Oval Office until one minute before the Inaugaration.
So, it might not be presidential, it may lack good grace, it may disrespect the democratic process and the traditional good manners displayed in the past. But its not unconstitutional.

[Mack]

honestly i dont doubt the attempt to cover i also believe it's real i have since the second bush