TRUMP 2020!

[Leo]

yep and trump will be decided the victor and remain in office another 4 years after all is said and done

Actually that's not how the election works, believe it or not. Trump can stop acting like he won, because he didn't.


11/07/2020

"Joe Biden has been declared the winner of this election."



But I guess Trump actually won because he said so. And that's how the election goes, right? The first one to declare they won before all the votes have been counted is elected president, right?

[Mack]

lmao just wait and watch.. you can deny the fraud but that dont make it not true

[Leo]

Watch what? Trump become president due to him undermining democracy? If he becomes president, it means that either fraud was proven and Joe Biden is not named president or that Trump was able to sue his way to the presidency which means there is something seriously wrong with America

[Mack]

something is wrong if dems are found guilty eh

[Meliva]

Because folk have the right to carry until you decide they dont. The rights of the couple to defend their home were not questioned by you. But you can not tell me the rights of the folk inside the CHAZ were not the same. You do not know if they carried to protect their homes and businesses. You do not know if the shootings were justified 'stand your ground' defences. You assume everyone there was a protestor fighting the cops.

Did some fight the cops? Undoubtedly. Do you know their reasons? We have heard in this thread how some will resist cops and military to defend their rights. Do the citizens inside the CHAZ not have those same rights? Where is any evidence ALL there were in the wrong? There is none. Just assumptions governed by bias.

Where did I say any of those things? I find it funny you keep saying I "assume" so many things when I never say those things. You are literally assuming you know what I assume. What, are you psychic and can read my mind even through a computer? Oh, or maybe you are being an arrogant know-it-all arse and acting like you know me when you clearly bloody don't. I'm gonna go with that second option, unless you wanna prove the first by writing down my mother's maiden name.

Folks can carry arms as much as they bloody want, so long as they do so legally. Wanna walk up and down your street with a pistol to stand guard? Creepy to me sure, but if it's legal where you live and you legally own that gun and are doing everything legally, go bloody nuts. Don't give a single damn if that person is a trump supporter, Biden supporter, white, black, Christian, or bloody bigfoot. Do things legally, do them all you want. That's all I care about. Is what you are doing legal? Yes? GO NUTS.

You can literally just google before and after pictures of the Chaz area. Considering how messed up it was after it was all over, no I don't consider that defending your neighborhood. I don't see how any rational person could call what they did defending your neighborhood. Hell taylor even pointed out, most folks weren't even from that area! Hey, what do you call when a group from another area, comes in, takes over, and declares that area as something new? Last I checked that's called in invasion. Or a conquering. But I'm sure it was all done for a good reason right? Those 2 folks who died deserved it right? The damages done to the area were justified right?

No. I might not know all the details. I admit that. Do you know all the damn details? No? Then how can you tell me I'm wrong when you don't even bloody know yourself? I can say this though. Based on the literal video and photographic evidence of the area after the event, I can safely say that it was worse off then before. So I can safely say that no-they did not defend their neighborhood, if it was even their own neighborhood to start with.

[The Lamb]

Are people still talking about chaz? Lmao it was the political equivalent of giving a kid a piece of candy t stop them form throwing a tantrum

That was the funniest "experiment" ive ever seen! Let me see if I get this straight. They set up an autonomous zone saying they were to live by their own rules, but they still get their constitutional rights to protect them, they still needed the government to leave the power and water on, and needed people to bring in food. LMFAO!!!! bunch of spoiled idiots.

Yeah they are doing wonders for Seattle and Portland

Thats almost as bad as still living at home with mom and dad, and trying to lecture everyone else on government policies, government regs, tax laws and forms of economics while having no experience with any of those other than a part time job used to purchase goodies.

I will tell ya what, why not just respond with a twitter feed rather than trying to make an egregiously mis/underinformed argument.

Good times, good times

[William one eye]

The news has proclaimed a winner.
President select Joe Biden

I guess" not till every votes counted " only applied when Biden was behind.

Funny ... fox news lost their website for an afternoon and suddenly they are singing different tune. Hummm.

One day they are playing the clip of biden personally boasting about commiting the biggest voter fraud ever

Website dissappears.

Website comes back

Opinion Changed To.....trumps claims are unfounded.

As for bidens gaffe
Biden said it, its not edited, and its not out of context. thats been facted checked and
Not denied. The biden camps official position was he meant to say something different.

This was in a speech about rounding up votes.
I think main context was "helping those that have trouble voting"
Not that this may acceptable in all cases either, there is a fine line there between helping and abusing depending on the mental condition of some who might be receiving help.
That moral argument aside.

This is what biden said.
“We’re in a situation where we have put together – and you guys did it for our admi … the president, Obama’s administration before this – we have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Biden



For biden to become president

1 trump has to conceed
2 the states have to certify the votes
3 electors have to vote as pleged.

If these things do not happen by inauguration day im pretty certain Pelosi becomes president.

Trump should conceed if all states with
Unusual activities agree to allow a bipartisan evalatuIon of irregularities and they prove to not have significantly affected the results.


Re a few of the reported irregilarities
As found reported by organizations like reuters and AP.
Not some ultra right opinion group.

Use of sharpies give out by polling locations. Some claim they dont cast.
Litterally. Run a few sample ballots with observers from both parties and see if they are read correctly. If they cast fine ...
End of story.

Some people claim they were told to press a button on the machune and later found out that that button deleted their vote.
Find out how many people were instructed to delete their vote.
If its 10 ....lol move on...
if its thousands then investigate

Some machines, in michigan, i believe we reading 5 to 10 % more votes for biden then were getting cast.
This was confirmed by manual counts. It was a specific machine running a specific software

Maybe run some tests at other locations that use the same machines and if appears to happen elsewhere, do a manual count
Anywhere that uses these machines and software.

Very odd late arriving ballots marked only for Biden and no local races
Take a few hundred ballots that are from these late counts, call the casters ask if they will confirm their choice.
If the majority confirm it correct move on.


It think it would become clear very quickly if you were dealing with a few bad apples and random irregularities or something on a conspiracy level.

These are some simple solutions that i believe would indicate if there are any indication significant fraud occured.

If things look bad, maybe a lot more investigation is required.

If things look like its a few random instances that would not have significantly affected anything then i will be happy to get over it and move on. As should everyone else thats still siding with trump including himself.


Hey i dont like these 2, they are as sleazey and currupt as they come, but if they were actually legitimately elected,
Thats who was run and chosen. Thats what an election is.
Some times your side wins, some times it loses.
A lesson many liberals could learn.

That said

1 its pathetic if you are ok with them cheating to beat Trump
Just because you hate him. if you beleive it was an honest election i dont have issue. But if you know better and do not wish to admit it, or just want it re written your way, shame on you.

2 if your going to elect the first female president, i wish it could have been someone worthy of it. There are plenty of better choices on your side of the aisle. Its a bit sad that your so eager to be first that anyone will do.

[Lachlan]

Yeah, until an investigation shows that no fraud happened, I won't be accepting Biden as president.

Also, Just like your claims about trump being a racist, if his dream was to be a dictator then he's done a poor job at it. Notice how he never used his authority to do something like, oh I don't know, send in the military to crush CHAZ and kill every person in that area when they took over part of Seattle? Or how the media is able to constantly bash him? Seems like a wannabe dictator would, oh I don't know, use their power and influence to forcibly shut them up and silence critics?

It's funny how you so blindly accuse Trump of things that have little to not truth to them, yet will ignore Biden's dementia as a speech impediment. I swear, Biden could be eating a literal baby while having his way with a nun in front of you, and instead of acknowledging that, you would point out "trump was accused of jaywalking, what a scoundrel!"

The military would not listen to him if he said that and refuse to crush protests. That is why he has not done that.

you are wrong bud

Mack by crushing I mean loading their firearms and shooting into the crowd to kill people like Tiananmen square. Frankly if you say they will do that now that you know what I mean I would feel very confused. I hope that isn't what you mean but I'm not sure

[Meliva]

You probably should have said they wouldn't listen if he had ordered them to massacre the protestors. Since simply saying to crush the protests could be implied in a lotta ways. Like just sending them in to arrest everyone and keep killing to a minimum. Or just fire so much tear gas and rubber bullets that no sane person would stay.

Though I do agree with your point. I do not think many in the military would be willing to gun down citizens. Even if ordered to do so. Of course, I could be wrong. I have no personal military experience so I don't know much on their discipline and willingness to do certain things.

[The Lamb]

Well, first off they would never say to fire on protestors unless there was a clear an imminent danger to other citizens lives by unlawful acts, but those arent protesters at that point.

Im sure you heard "sworn to protect the constitution from all threats foreign and domestic."

One could make the argument, that the chaz issue was am unlawful group of anti America militia claiming a piece of a city. They were very lucky, it hasnt worked well in the past for other "compounds".