TRUMP 2020!

[Most Lee Harmless]

Yep.. sharpies mess up in the vote counting machines... so guess what.. they take them out and count them manually. Just like they always have.
Late votes in GA... yep... guess whose votes? The military... cos that is how it has always been.. they arrive last.
Sudden shifts in votes recieved? Well.. let us see... Trump told Reps to vote in person at polling booths... guess which votes get counted first? Biden told folk to stay safe, you know, there is a pandemic, and vote by mail.. guess which votes dont get counted until after the in-person votes?.. so, its not mad math to expect more Rep votes at the booths and more Dem votes in the mails.. the worry would be if there wasnt such a simple bias in numbers...
Stop the count! Count the votes! Do the Trump protestors actually know the message they are sending?
Biggest comedy is how many of these ballot-box stuffing, vote mis-counting scoundrels are Republican administrations... a failure to communicate?

[Meliva]

Voting areas shouldn't be giving folks sharpies to vote with if they know it forces them to take the votes out and count manually. That opens the door to fraud.
“Those Who Cast The Votes Decide Nothing. Those Who Count The Votes, Decide Everything” – Soviet Dictator Josef Stalin,

Mind also explaining why some areas are covering the windows?

I admit I may be wrong. Maybe it is all legit and just looks shady to me and some folks. Still want this to be investigated to make sure though. If they find nothing I'll be disappointed but I'll accept it and move on.

[Stan Rogers]

Do you mean the cheating I think is going on, or my opinions on Biden?

I like Sky news in Australia.

I mean the cheating you think is going on. Your opinions of Biden are personal and your entitlement.

You really should look at other stuff besides Sky News. It is a hard right rag that is equivalent to Rush Limbaugh.
Hardly a non biased pub and from what I've seen, falls into the realm of Dr. Steve Turley, Alex Jones, and a few other conspiracy theorists who troll the interweb.
Go with the national news agency of a foreign country as they really have no dog in the fight of another country for their own citizens.

[Meliva]

That was just an example. I do listen mostly to conservatives, but I do listen to left sites from time to time.

I'll believe Biden won fair and legitimately after it's been checked out and verified. Not because some new sites say he won. Likewise, if and when Trump wins, if any leftist want to investigate whether or not he won fairly, they can do so. They already did back in 2016, so I imagine they'll do the same 2020 if he wins.

[Stan Rogers]

I wish I knew where I saw the sharpie explanation so I could refer you however, it was the top official stating that Sharpies were the manufacturers recommended marker to use as the ink dries fast and there is less chance to coat the sensor head with residue.
True/not true ??? I do not really care but... it is the seed that forms the conspiracy theory that may or may have a little truth and a lot of "what if's" actually stated as fact. Then it spreads until it has a life of its own and that is where maligned countries that do not have the USA's best interests at heart can really cause disruption and civil unrest in the populace.
Be on guard !

[Meliva]

There may be legit and honest reasons for all my concerns about certain things I and other's find shady. All the more reason I want an investigation done by folks who know more then I do about these sorts of things, and are able to search, question and find any evidence that may prove or disprove cheating.

Ultimately, I can only rely on my own senses, and what I hear. Some say cheating is happening, some say it's not. Since I have not seen firsthand evidence of cheating, I have to rely on what other's say and what little I can see and experience. If a proper investigation is done and it clears things up, and no cheating happened, again will be sad and disappointed trump lost, but I'll accept it and move on. I just want to make sure that everything is on the up-and up.

I also don't agree or approve of folks who go out and riot or do destructive things when we don't have all the facts yet.

[Stan Rogers]

Investigations are fine but there are those who will say the investigators are partisan hacks and biased. That has been happening steady for the last four years in the Gov.

When do you say it was fair investigation? When the results suit ?

I mean, there is people calling for one of the worlds top infectious disease scientist's head on a pike ?
Crazy I think but even crazier is, there are people who agree with this sentiment.
So that brings back the question, who are the investigators that you can trust ?

[Meliva]

ultimately folks like you and I will have no say in who or who doesn't investigate and how they do so. There will also be those who will adamantly refuse anything an investigator or any other authority say if it doesn't fit their beliefs.

If, let's say the FBI or CIA or some other agency looks into this election and find no fraud and that Biden won legitimately, I may still have doubts about it, but at that point, I'll just have to accept it and move on. Then perhaps later it will be found that he did cheat, and bought off the investigators. Honestly it isn't uncommon for crimes to be revealed long after they were committed.

I don't agree with doing any harm to other people or property just because of personal feelings, or being upset about an election. If Biden wins, and is found to have won legitimately, I'll still go to work, obey the laws and carry on. I don't agree with the lunatics who want to harm or kill folks for differing opinions or beliefs. I also don't approve of folks wanting to make lists of certain groups of people like some leftists want to do for Trump supporters. That's awfully worrying to be honest.

[Stan Rogers]

That's awfully worrying to be honest.

BINGO!!!!!

Pardon me, I understand your viewpoint and you are not dumb in the slightest way ever.

So must humbly I submit, you currently are a victim of a propaganda campaign that has been ongoing for quite some time.
I know you not likely will believe me because after all, Mark Twain was correct when he proclaimed that it is easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

Therefore I refuse to even attempt to make argument with you as it is statistically (IMO) a non winnable argument.

You do have to ask your self, what do I personally have to gain ?
Well the answer is, nothing personally, but if I can say something that will break the spell, or convince you that any number of fear tactic stories that is being subliminally implanted. It is through constant bombardment of many media outlets that hype fear inducing ideas.

That fear factor has its greatest effect on those who will be affected of course.
Where I have a huge advantage is, the fear factor has no or, lets say a much smaller effect on me as I won't be affected. I am not a citizen
Therefore I can remain detached and view stuff in a more objective viewpoint not colored by fear

[Meliva]

I mean, AOC literally wrote on twitter about making a list of trump supporters. That's who I was referring to when I said some leftists. Now obviously she's rather extreme and not an accurate representation of every left leaning person, but I don't like the idea of anyone putting anyone's names on a list to mark them for who they supported in the past. Pretty sure the right has done similar things in the past, and I don't approve of it.

Ultimately all of us are being bombarded with propaganda, from both sides. Some of it true, some false, and some half truths and all other sorts of dubious ways of trying to manipulate folks.

Feel free to try to convince me. I try to keep an open mind, and if presented with clear evidence, I will probably believe you. Again, I openly admit, I may very well be wrong about many of my beliefs. However until I see evidence that proves me wrong, I will hold onto certain beliefs.

I do agree that the media like to hype things up. I still remember how many were talking about WW3 coming soon. I was doubtful of that claim, and I was right to be. Still isn't here after all. Granted 2020 has been so awful that even without WW3 it's been one of the worst years in human history.