TRUMP 2020!

[Meliva]

I will agree- Trump does focus more on economy then environment. However Trump is also far more tolerant and supportive of a lot of groups that you support. He was the first president to be FOR gay marriage. He also has done more to help the black community in 4 years then Biden in 47.

Biden also was AGAINST same sex marriage when Trump openly was for it. Now that he's trying to appeal to progressives he say's he's for it. Just like when he wants to get an economist's vote he's against fracking. But in a state that does fracking he's for it.

Honestly as much as I may dislike Trump, I see him as a guy who's an arse to everyone equally-aside from those who like and support him. Biden is a man who will say whatever he thinks will get him a vote, and I truly think deep down he is a worse person then trump. Hard to tell though-since he changes his mind more often then I change socks.

[Leo]

Nah, Trump sucks up to people he knows will give him support, no matter how horrible they are.

For example, Russia placed a bounty on some American troops. They were killed. In the following week, Trump had several phone calls with Putin and didn't mention it once! It wasn't one of those small things that it would make sense not to mention - it was a big deal.

Trump also nearly started a war with North Korea by repeatedly insulting Kim Jong Un. While KJU is a crappy person and a horrible dictator, as the President of the United States it is Trump's job to well, not get us all killed.

He also prioritizes the economy over people's safety. He has repeatedly refused to pass laws that prevent Murray coal from mistreating workers, and no surprise, Bob Murray supports Trump. Not to mention that very much in the middle of the hot part of the pandemic Trump posted several tweets that said things like "LIBERATE MINNESOTA" which refereed to opening back up all the businesses.

[Meliva]

Trump also was the first president to enter NK. He was the first to actually talk to KJU face to face. Have you thought that maybe he knew that KJU wasn't stupid enough to start a war that he had no chance of winning? China even said that if NK hit us first, they would not back them up in the war. So it would make a lot of sense to provoke them to hit first. Without China, NK is like an ant to us. While I wouldn't want war with them period, they are a threat to us and a lot of our allies. The sooner we can either get them to calm down or take them out the better.

Also do you REALLY think that a war with NK would get us all killed? Again, without china backing them, they have no allies, while we would have SK, possibly Japan, and our own forces. It would be a curbstomp.

Did trump know about the bounties? Was he informed of them? Did he know for sure that Russia placed them? Etc.

I do agree that he could handle the virus better. That is one point I do disagree with him on.

[Leo]

Yep, Trump knew about the bounties.

Even without China, NK has a hell lotta nukes. If they hit us first, there wouldn't be much left of us to retaliate. Ant or not, a nuke is a nuke.

[Meliva]

they don't have as many as you think. Hell I doubt they have more then 10 at best. They would also need to remember that if they nuked us, we might nuke them. And we have a helluva lot more nukes then they do. A few THOUSAND more.

They also need to be able to actually LAUNCH and hit us with the nukes. What good is a bullet if you have no gun that can fire it? NK has done a fair amount of testing, but their track record isn't great. We also have been developing ways to shoot down nukes.

And think of it like this. The more time they have to build more nukes, and improve their launching and aiming, the worse it will be if we DO go to war with them.

Again, I would prefer no war, but let's face it- KJU is not a good man, and him and his regime have little to no love for us. I'd hate to see us go to war with them 10 years later when they have more nukes and the ability to hit any city in the US with perfect accuracy rather then a war this year when it would be a lot safer.

(that's just a broad example for the record.)

[DezNutz]

Yep, Trump knew about the bounties.

Even without China, NK has a hell lotta nukes. If they hit us first, there wouldn't be much left of us to retaliate. Ant or not, a nuke is a nuke.

You don't know what you are talking about.

One Ohio Class Ballistic Missile Submarine carries 24 Trident II SLBMs which can carry up to 12 - 475kt nuclear warheads on each (although I think we are limited to 8 per a treaty). The US has 14 of these submarines with at least 6 (IIRC) out at sea at any given time.

That's 24 x 8 = 192 nuclear warheads per submarine. In comparison China has around 300-320 total nuclear warheads. And North Korea has an estimated 30-40.

[Meliva]

hmm. Well I was off by a bit, they had more then I thought. Still not even in the triple digits, and I'm curious as to how powerful said nukes are. Ultimately though, even a million nukes is worthless if you can't launch them and hit your targets. NK isn't very good at that part yet. Hopefully we get a lot better at defending against nukes before they get better at shooting them.

Though, they still have no chance of beating us. Nuking us would hurt though. A lot of innocents would die. Though we have enough nukes we could probably hit each of their cities 10 times each, and still have plenty left. Though SK and possibly Japan would most likely suffer from radiation if we went that far.

[Leo]

Yes. Say that they were to hit a major city like Los Angeles. That would not only kill every one in Los Angeles, which is A LOT of people, but also kill people throughout the West.

No one can "win" the game of nuclear warfare. Everybody loses. Everybody dies.

[Meliva]

Which is why we would be better off taking out NK when their nuclear capabilities are low. Again, would be best to not fight period-I just worry that given enough time, their capabilities would grow and a war with them would just get more and more costly.

30-40 nukes estimated now. Their ability to reliably hit us-low, our defenses-not sure on that point. A war now would, ideally end with all their nukes hitting the ocean. In fact, if we could act fast, we could potentially destroy their launching sites, and keep any nukes from firing.

Also, you are exaggerating a bit. Depending on the nuke, and where it hit, not everyone would die in LA. I doubt NK has a nuke strong enough to wipe out the city. Russia certainly might though.

Edit- Checked, the strongest estimate I found said their strongest nuke so far was between 10-30 Kilotonnes. Meaning it's roughly as strong as the very nukes that the US used on Japan. Neither of which wiped out their targets, which are far smaller then LA.

So yeah, they won't be wiping out any cities with their nukes. Still would be best if we avoided getting hit though.

[ChaIbaud]

Argo, I was responding to what Chaldbaud said.

Could be a mixture between trauma and passion. Be she has every right to be traumatized. I was scared half to death when I heard about the 2050 study.

Lol. Or the third option, attention and recognition from those mean old people!!!